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    Posted: Aug 14 2015 at 4:15pm

It is recommended that the Board approve the contract with Butler County Educational Service Center. The contract is for $582,421 and includes services for 2.5 psychologists, the Success Program, Behavior Intervention, Attendance Officer and Director of Pupil Services and shared services of a Business Manager.
Source: Monroe Local School District
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August 17, 2015 at 7:00 PM
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Who came up with this idea? Spend over 500,000 for what ? Unbelievable !
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Who is the person or persons that recommended this new expense to our schools ? Sounds like a scam to me.
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This is the program that the BCESC recommends. I'm not sure how they go about deciding how much help a given school needs. However the compensation seems high to me based upon the information coming out of the school district.

I hope the new candidates are interesting in sharing more 'inside' information with the public other than having public board meetings. At the very least they should video the meetings and share on YouTube or some other video sharing service. Most parents can't come to the school meetings due to time of meetings and other obligations.
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Hey basser! Here's an idea.
Pay your taxes and keep your mouth shout. The board of education doesn't have to explain one single dollar of expenditure to you.
You're just a simple tax paying citizen. You couldn't possible understand the need for $600 thousand in counciling.

....wait a minute.... Neither can I.
Can someone explain how this is good for our district? Are these board certified persons?
What exactly are we getting for our $600 thousand?
All of this seems very vague.
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I just spoke to a dear and wise friend.
I will be requesting all information as to the credentials and hiring of these individuals.
This reeks of low qualifications and nepotism.
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I sent this email, hoping for a response

Dr. Cagwin:
 
I hope all is well with you and yours. It has be a long time since I last asked you a question. Hope you don't mind.
 
Regarding:
"It is recommended that the Board approve the contract with Butler County Educational Service Center. The contract is for $582,421 and includes services for 2.5 psychologists, the Success Program, Behavior Intervention, Attendance Officer and Director of Pupil Services and shared services of a Business Manager."
Source: Monroe Local School District
Board of Education
Regular Meeting Agenda
August 17, 2015 at 7:00 PM
 
I have a few questions if you have the time.
 
1. How much did we spend last year on Behavior services?
2. How does the BCESC come up with $582K?
3. What do you think about the program and the cost/value to the community?
 
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15-180 APPROVE BUTLER COUNTY ESC CONTRACT
Motion by Guido, seconded by Carpenter to approve the contract with Butler County Educational Service Center. The contract is for $582,421 and includes services for 2.5 psychologists, the Success Program, Behavior Intervention, Attendance Officer and Director of Pupil Services and shared services of a Business Manager. 

Voting aye on the roll call: Guido, Carpenter, Grant, Stone and Leeds. Nays: None. Motion carried. 

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Mr Beagle.
You should send a Thank You for the reply to your questions.
It's been a month of silence.
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There is a serious need for these services in our schools. I estimate that over 60% of all Monroe students are addicted to drugs.
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Originally posted by Max HC Max HC wrote:

There is a serious need for these services in our schools. I estimate that over 60% of all Monroe students are addicted to drugs.

I find that statistic to be a bit on the high side. (pun intended)
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Originally posted by Houndog Houndog wrote:

Mr Beagle.
You should send a Thank You for the reply to your questions.
It's been a month of silence.

Sorry for the delay in posting the response from Dr. Cagwin. Here is what he had to say:

John,  I'll start with some of the information I have.... as you know, the
ESC used to be know as the County Board of Education....   they provide
County school districts with staffing and programs as needed.

Our behavioral intervention services last year were budgeted at
$5,936.00....  that was broken down at an hourly cost of $53.00 for a total
of 14 days.

This year we have budgeted for up to 25 days at the same hourly cost for a
total of $10,600.00.    This resource person is to work with teachers,
students and parents as needed.  We have a number of students in our
districts with IEP's to address student behavioral issues.  At times, we
seek additional help/advice to help these students succeed in our public
schools.

Question # 2....   the $582k is the total cost of salaries/benefits of the
employees we contract for.....   In addition to any hourly charges for
as-needed resource services, we have the following:

1/2 time business manager ( shared with Middletown) - salary of $55,000
two school psychologists - combined salaries of $104,430
Special Education Director - $84,806
two and 1/2 speech pathologists - $204,877

Question # 3...   if referring to speech intervention services... the
hourly cost of the consultant is obviously less expensive than hiring a
full time person for our small district.  It is worthwhile in my opinion if
it helps our teachers be more effective with their individual students with
serious behavior problems, and obviously helps those students better
achieve success in the classroom and in their daily interaction with their
peers and adults.

If Question # 3 refers to all of the positions covered under our
contract....   most of our employees contracted from the ESC work primarily
with our special needs students... because we are a small district, we do
not always need full - time employees, so we may be able to save some
dollars by contracting for part-time employees.  It is also impossible to
know how many students will move into or out of our district from one year
to another with specific intervention services required from their IEP.  By
contracting with the ESC, we have more flexibility for providing those
services to our special needs students.  Just over ten percent of our
students ( 266) have IEP's requiring interventions services in Monroe.

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Maybe Max HC is joking.  Or maybe he/she is simply having fun with the semantics.  But when we add together ALL drugs, sadly he/she may not be too far off.  After all, we do all realize caffeine is a drug, right?  And then there's nicotine.  And how many of our kids are now on Ritalin or Adderall?   I'm not sure why so many people overlook legal drugs when discussing addiction.  
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vegasmayor, you hit the nail on the head. I am not joking. Most of our young population are already hooked on drugs thanks to the pharmaceutical industry.
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Originally posted by vegasmayor vegasmayor wrote:

Maybe Max HC is joking.  Or maybe he/she is simply having fun with the semantics.  But when we add together ALL drugs, sadly he/she may not be too far off.  After all, we do all realize caffeine is a drug, right?  And then there's nicotine.  And how many of our kids are now on Ritalin or Adderall?   I'm not sure why so many people overlook legal drugs when discussing addiction.  

I also have to agree about too much drugging of our children. 

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Ok. The first kid... his problem wasn't the drugs. He was a Mormon.
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