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    Posted: Jan 28 2013 at 10:38am

by AWR HAWKINS

In Chicago, the city which serves as a blueprint for the kind of gun control Obama is trying to push on the rest of the country, six people were shot to death and one person was stabbed to death on Saturday night alone.


Among those killed were a 16-year old kid and a 32-year old man, both of whom were gunned down in a double homicide at approximately 5 p.m. The shooting appeared to be random, and witnesses at the scene described seeing one of the bodies just lying in the roadway by a bus stop.

Five hours later, a 38 year-old man was shot and killed and just before midnight, another 32-year old man was stabbed to death.
The bottom line is that gun control isn't working in Chicago. It won't work for the nation as a whole, either.

Either we keep and bear arms as our Founding Fathers intended or we expand the failing Chicago model, where more than 440 school-age children were shot and wounded last year and where seven people lost their lives Saturday night alone.

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Are you sure that Chicago is the blueprint?

Also, I know this is a dumb question, but why do you present a false choice here?
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Here is the real issue in my opinion.

1.       A tragedy occurred in a school.

2.       Knee-jerk reaction = Gun Control.

3.       It was not a law abiding citizen that killed those people.

4.       The gun(s) used were illegally obtained.

So are these new laws going to stop gun violence? Time will tell. I believe no.

I agree with background checks on all sales. I don’t think that is an issue with anybody.

Until people realize that by enforcing new laws on gun control it will NOT stop the criminal from obtaining any desired weapon to commit a crime. If that is the thought we all have false hope.

Look at the war on drugs. Has it stopped the drug problem? NO

It is illegal to drink and drive people still do that.

So the only people affected by the new gun control laws will be law abiding citizens.

Criminals don’t care about laws!

Totally my own opinion!  

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by AWR HAWKINS
 
The number of homicides in Chicago for January stands at 42, and the month isn't over.
This makes it "the most deadly January in more than ten years."

The most recent of the 42 homicides was the Tuesday murder of a 15-year old girl who took part in Obama's second inauguration. The girl, Hadiya Pendleton, was standing with a group of friends in Vivian Gordon Harsh Park when a gunman ran up, opened fire, then fled the scene.

In short, while gun control proponents in Chicago promise peace and safety, it seems they are actually on the verge of delivering another year like 2012--a year in which more than 440 school age children were shot and wounded and 500 homicides were committed.

Chicago is the gun-control capital of America, yet NBC News accurately describes it as "bullet-scarred."
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Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:

3.       It was not a law abiding citizen that killed those people.

4.       The gun(s) used were illegally obtained.



Is it ever a law abiding citizen that does a mass murder? 

#4 is splitting hairs.  The boy used those guns with his mother all the time.  They weren't locked up.  he probably felt some ownership of them.  To act as if they were illegally obtained is ignoring the problem.

This kid didn't go out on the street and buy illegal guns.  He had access to 100% legal fire arms.


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Originally posted by cmsquare cmsquare wrote:

Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:

3.       It was not a law abiding citizen that killed those people.

4.       The gun(s) used were illegally obtained.



Is it ever a law abiding citizen that does a mass murder? 

#4 is splitting hairs.  The boy used those guns with his mother all the time.  They weren't locked up.  he probably felt some ownership of them.  To act as if they were illegally obtained is ignoring the problem.

This kid didn't go out on the street and buy illegal guns.  He had access to 100% legal fire arms.


Really? He killed his own mother, and took the guns. How much more illegal or what law would you pass to prevent this? Why is it that Pravda has covered up and help promote the theory that he used the so called assault rifle. Doesn't fit the party line does it? Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive. Oh I forgot, no one cares enough to look for the truth.
 
 


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Blueblood is right. Killing your mother and then stealing her guns would fall under the definition of obtaining guns illegally. Sorry cms, your legal gun premise is false. Ouch
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Originally posted by cmsquare cmsquare wrote:

Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:

3.       It was not a law abiding citizen that killed those people.

4.       The gun(s) used were illegally obtained.



Is it ever a law abiding citizen that does a mass murder? 

#4 is splitting hairs.  The boy used those guns with his mother all the time.  They weren't locked up.  he probably felt some ownership of them.  To act as if they were illegally obtained is ignoring the problem.

This kid didn't go out on the street and buy illegal guns.  He had access to 100% legal fire arms.


So what is the problem?
 
Mental Illness?
 
If so, then why such a push on banning the guns?
 
I think it is just a knee jerk reaction to pacify people when the real problem is we don't enforce current laws!!
 
Again a criminal cares not about the laws. (This kid was a criminal)
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Mental Illness is certainly part of the problem

I'm not sure you can boil it down to one black and white thing.

What laws are you claiming are not enforced? 

The kid was a criminal?  Oh boy.  That's a slippery slope
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Originally posted by cmsquare cmsquare wrote:

Mental Illness is certainly part of the problem

I'm not sure you can boil it down to one black and white thing.

What laws are you claiming are not enforced? 

The kid was a criminal?  Oh boy.  That's a slippery slope


Are all gun sellers enforcing the law? What about situations where the government steps in and asks gun dealers to not enforce the law (fast and furious)?
 Are all states providing the proper information for the National Instant Criminal Background Check System? Federal Law makes it illegal to sell or give a firearm to anyone who "has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution." Now if the state doesn't report all of these individuals, are they enforcing the law? If a parent gives their mentally ill child access to a firearm are they enforcing the law?

HE WAS A CRIMINAL! Is it not a crime to commit murder?

We need to begin taking responsibility for our actions. In the case of Sandy Brooke if the boy's mother would have locked up HER firearms, or recognized her son had a problem, I'm guessing the out come probably would have been very different.
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Originally posted by Joel Thompson Joel Thompson wrote:

Originally posted by cmsquare cmsquare wrote:

Mental Illness is certainly part of the problem

I'm not sure you can boil it down to one black and white thing.

What laws are you claiming are not enforced? 

The kid was a criminal?  Oh boy.  That's a slippery slope


Are all gun sellers enforcing the law? What about situations where the government steps in and asks gun dealers to not enforce the law (fast and furious)?
 Are all states providing the proper information for the National Instant Criminal Background Check System? Federal Law makes it illegal to sell or give a firearm to anyone who "has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution." Now if the state doesn't report all of these individuals, are they enforcing the law? If a parent gives their mentally ill child access to a firearm are they enforcing the law?

HE WAS A CRIMINAL! Is it not a crime to commit murder?

We need to begin taking responsibility for our actions. In the case of Sandy Brooke if the boy's mother would have locked up HER firearms, or recognized her son had a problem, I'm guessing the out come probably would have been very different.


yeah he was a criminal when he committed murder.  Other than trying to be a Monday morning quarterback I'm not sure how much that proves though.

up until that very moment he was not a criminal. It's not like we are talking about someone with a long criminal history here that is not the case at all.  great...he has a criminal record now...don't sell him any guns from now on.  I'm not sure what your point is?

if you think mental illness is that black and white I'm not sure where to go with this discussion.  Who sets those standards?  How does HIPPA apply/get invoved when it comes this medical information now?  




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This is what should be done all people with any documented mental health issues should be locked up. If it saves just one life it would be worth it!

The city is making a major push to sweep the streets of dangerous, mentally ill New Yorkers — and has even compiled a most-wanted list, The Post has learned.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/scoop_the_nuts_TujGFMPDFLCfDgxDqmjHIL
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A Bushmaster in the hands of a "bad guy" is an "assault weapon."
 
A Bushmaster in the hands of a "good guy" is a DEFENSIVE weapon!
 
The same goes for all other guns.  It's really that simple.
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Would this fall under assault weapon or a defensive weapon?  
Doesn't look as scary when its pink and broken down.Smile

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Originally posted by Todd Todd wrote:

Would this fall under assault weapon or a defensive weapon?  
Doesn't look as scary when its pink and broken down.Smile

Todd:
It depends upon who is holding it: a good guy or a bad guy.
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If any guy is holding that gun he would have to be a bad guy. You would have to be one bad guy to be holding a pink gun with flowers on the magazine. I would definitely walk the other way. LOL
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