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    Posted: Nov 27 2012 at 8:26am
At it's November 13th meeting Monroe City Council discussed the School Resource Officer position for Monroe Local Schools. Here is that discussion from Angela Wasson, Clerk of Courts:

Mr. Black brought up the subject of the SRO. Mr. Brock explained that it is a matter of looking
at the staffing levels and making sure the streets are patrolled. Mrs. Rubin felt the SRO should
be one person not several different officers. Chief Homer explained that his department is going
back to permanent shifts next year. He could fund the SRO, but it would require overtime
estimated to be over $25,000.
Mr. Hickman asked why the department was going back to permanent shifts. Chief Homer
explained that it works better for scheduling, they get to know their area better, and it is better for
their health if they have a consistent shift. Mr. Hickman indicated he was not a fan of the change
in shifts when it was first presented.
Mr. Kelley asked for Chief Homer’s recommendation on the SRO. Chief Homer is supportive of
the position, but it would take some scheduling work. Mrs. Rubin indicated we could use the
overtime budgeted for this year and apply towards the SRO beginning in January. Mr. Black felt
the position was important enough to find the money now. Mrs. Stillman supported the idea, but
didn’t think that financially the City can do it at this time. She did not feel that some of the
reasons in the presentation were strong enough to have an officer there 40 hours a week when
some of the events could take place once per month. Mrs. Stillman shared a conversation she
had with a Senior that did not realize the SRO was no longer at the school.
Officer Kahny explained the positive points of having a SRO such as helping with a crisis
situation and having a better response time. Mrs. Stillman did not feel it is the City’s
responsibility to pay for a school administrator.
Mr. Black noted that if you have someone patrolling an area you are less likely to have a crime
occur in that area. Mrs. Stillman disagreed stating that if someone really wants to do something
they are going to do it. Mrs. Rubin pointed out it is also prevention and stopping something
before it becomes a crisis.
Mr. Black stated that we have an enormous amount of money in training and food that we can
take a hard look at to fund a SRO and felt comfortable with a motion to place the SRO back in
the school until the end of the school year.
Mr. Hickman asked if Chief Homer would have an officer available to be at the school five days
per week when the switch to permanent shifts is made. Chief Homer did not have someone
unless he took them off the street. 80% of the time he is at three officers and he is losing two
people this month for what they consider better opportunities. As of the first of the year we will
not have a SRO, participate in the County-wide Drug Task Force, or Community Service
Officer. Mr. Hickman felt the SRO was a good idea, but we were also trying to cut the budget.
Mr. Kelley asked if two officers were replaced would there be enough manpower to put someone
in the school. Chief Homer would have to make a decision not to fill either the county task
force, SRO, or Community Service Officer.
Mr. Brock advised we will present the numbers in the temporary appropriations and show how it
affects the five year forecast.
Mrs. Rubin stated that if we don’t have anyone in the school until the beginning of the year we
will save that money and we have vacations and the holidays the remainder of this year. That is
a lot of time off anyway. We are more likely to continue it without too much damage to the
budget. Mr. Kelley saw enough money in what was presented tonight that it could be done.
Mrs. Rubin noted you are only talking about three or four weeks of school and we can save that
and use it next year.
Brett Guido, President of the School Board, stated this is an important issue and advised it is a
good thing that a student was not aware of it as Mrs. Stillman brought up. The more it is
discussed then it puts it out there that there is not an SRO and then they think they could get
more boisterous. We are in fiscal emergency and in the process of working through that. In our
next budget, and I’m sure my other board members will agree, we will look hard at this.
Mr. Kelley asked if the school started paying for the SRO during the time the City went into
fiscal emergency. Mr. Guido confirmed the school did take responsibility and when the City was
out of fiscal emergency it was worked out to split the cost. Mr. Guido felt it was a very
necessary expense for our community.
Mrs. Rubin moved to fund an SRO from January 1st to the end of the school year; seconded by
Mrs. Hale. Roll call vote: five ayes; two nays (Kelley and Stillman). Motion carried.
Mr. Black moved to fund an SRO from now until the first of the year; seconded by Mr. Kelley.
Roll call vote: two ayes; five nays (Hale, Hickman, Routson, Rubin, Stillman). Motion failed.


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Also from the same council meeting:

Phil Cagwin, Interim Superintendent of the Monroe Local School District, requested Council
consider the School Resource Officer. It is not just a police officer on a beat. They are an
educator and a counselor. As a law enforcement officer they serve as a deterrent and can
investigate criminal activity in the area. As an educator a good SRO talks with faculty, students
and parents about the law and an outreach into the community. As a counselor, they know the
kids and the families and they could talk to them about what happened over the weekend and
help them through difficult times. They understand responsibility and rules without being too
heavy handed. It can make a police officer cool in the eyes of kids. Visible and accessible
talking with kids, teachers, and parents. We have a great student body, but even with great
students society has people making bad decisions. An SRO can prevent some of these things.
There have been unfortunate incidents in schools across the nation and the security in Monroe is
really nice; however, even in a secure facility things could happen. We also have a D.A.R.E.
Program. The SRO also helps our administration and emergency drills such as how to secure a
lockdown facility or escape and assist the administration with student issues. We had eliminated
a number of administrative positions and we have the highest student-to-administrator ratio in
the County and we are stretched. He asked that Council consider continuing the SRO at least for
the rest of the school year. The School will begin to repay our loans next year and hope to be
able to contribute towards this program.
Mrs. Rubin asked if is it likely the School could help with 50% for the next school year. Dr.
Cagwin will recommend that to the School Board, but would need their approval.
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Amazing how quick your perspective could change.
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One more benefit of an SRO...

Help with school lock-down procedures and drills.
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doesn't the school have a multi-million dollar budget and a new levy that just passed?
And they can't find the resources for a SRO? Especially after what happened yesterday......
 
So if the City doesn't provide the resource then now we're all responsible if Monroe has a similar tragedy???? The City should not feel obligated to help the school with this issue. The schools are just using the City instead of standing up and solving the issue on their own.
 
WHERE'S THE PRIORITY OF THE MONROE LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR A SRO!!!! This topic shouldn't even be being debated. The school should reconfigure their budget to fund the SRO position immediately. Come on School Board - JUST DO IT!!
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Bretland Bretland wrote:

doesn't the school have a multi-million dollar budget and a new levy that just passed?
And they can't find the resources for a SRO? Especially after what happened yesterday......
 
So if the City doesn't provide the resource then now we're all responsible if Monroe has a similar tragedy???? The City should not feel obligated to help the school with this issue. The schools are just using the City instead of standing up and solving the issue on their own.
 
WHERE'S THE PRIORITY OF THE MONROE LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR A SRO!!!! This topic shouldn't even be being debated. The school should reconfigure their budget to fund the SRO position immediately. Come on School Board - JUST DO IT!!
 
 
 
I'm calling Bullsh!t Bob. The Schools job is to educate and provide for enrichment, the City is responsible to protect the citizens, including the kids.
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There needs to be an SRO at both school buildings (the k-2 and 3 -12), the events of yesterday only took a matter of minutes.
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Originally posted by Bretland Bretland wrote:

doesn't the school have a multi-million dollar budget and a new levy that just passed?
And they can't find the resources for a SRO? Especially after what happened yesterday......
 
So if the City doesn't provide the resource then now we're all responsible if Monroe has a similar tragedy???? The City should not feel obligated to help the school with this issue. The schools are just using the City instead of standing up and solving the issue on their own.
 
WHERE'S THE PRIORITY OF THE MONROE LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR A SRO!!!! This topic shouldn't even be being debated. The school should reconfigure their budget to fund the SRO position immediately. Come on School Board - JUST DO IT!!
 
 
 

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Talk about a no win situation.
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There is not enough time to "wait" to bring force to bear upon an emergency situation, as was pointed out yesterday and almost every occurrence in any situation across the country. We will debate this happening and everyone will have some opinion, rule, improvement that will be meaningful to varying degrees.
 
The only deterrent/protection that has been shown to work, is to bring immediate force on force. Multiple weapons and trained personnel need to be on location to prevent these occurrences. Without this being present, you have no control over the situation and are at the discretion of the perpetrator as to when it ends.
 
We are arguing about how to fund a need and by doing so, neglecting implementation of the need itself. Multiple evil, as we speak, is plotting to one up what happened yesterday. This is the world we live in where we openly proclaim a society without consequences.


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As BK said before, either way we will be paying for the SRO....either through city taxes or school levy taxes.

Just make it happen.
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http://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/2058168-Lt-Col-Dave-Grossman-to-cops-The-enemy-is-denial/

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Bob Kelley, are there any council members that are against fully funding the SRO? The reason I pose this question to you is it just seems like you're the only council member to give straight answers regardless of the answer being tough to accept. I'm just not clear if there are any council members who are against it. Can you help clear that up? Thx
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Originally posted by Max HC Max HC wrote:

Bob Kelley, are there any council members that are against fully funding the SRO? The reason I pose this question to you is it just seems like you're the only council member to give straight answers regardless of the answer being tough to accept. I'm just not clear if there are any council members who are against it. Can you help clear that up? Thx

Yes, there are council members fully against funding an SRO and providing that level of protection for your children.
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Which one's? If you don't want to list them, I understand...

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Does anyone on the forum know which council members are currently against fully funding the SRO?
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As I read the original article I believe it says 'Stillman' did not support the need for the SRO..... she also has no children.....maybe her opinion would be different if she did!!
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Prada - Great info!  Thank you for sharing it!
 
In addition to tornado and fire drills, lockdown drills need to be conducted.  Drills help you to know what instinctively to do in a moment of crises.  There was level headedness displayed by several of the teachers in CT to prevent more casualties, are our teachers equipped to make the same types of decisions? 
 
The article also makes good points about if you have an SRO on site, they need to be armed.  It asks the question, if you have a fireman on site with no fire extinguisher, how good are they?
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Originally posted by Bob Kelley Bob Kelley wrote:

 
Yes, there are council members fully against funding an SRO and providing that level of protection for your children.

Interesting way to put this. 
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I like it being put that way, call them out if need be.
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Originally posted by zapp2525 zapp2525 wrote:

I like it being put that way, call them out if need be.
I agree. Bob pulls no punches when it comes to issues related to our government. There are times when I may not agree with outcomes, but I know where he stands. But there can't only be one member that is opposed to the SRO, if that was the case couldn't they put it to a vote and prevail on the outcome? Does anyone else know if there is anyone besides Stillman against it?
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My hope in not naming those members is that through this tragedy they reconsider their positions. It does no good to throw them under the bus if this can help them to see the importance of this position.
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Originally posted by Bob Kelley Bob Kelley wrote:

My hope in not naming those members is that through this tragedy they reconsider their positions. It does no good to throw them under the bus if this can help them to see the importance of this position.

In summary: We don't know who was thrown under the Monroe Local School's Bus or who was driving.Ouch
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Originally posted by John Beagle John Beagle wrote:

Originally posted by Bob Kelley Bob Kelley wrote:

My hope in not naming those members is that through this tragedy they reconsider their positions. It does no good to throw them under the bus if this can help them to see the importance of this position.

In summary: We don't know who was thrown under the Monroe Local School's Bus or who was driving.Ouch
 The question was who from council would not fund the SRO position. Unless you're intention is to hang this on someone from the school board your comment appears to be irrelevant.
 
The SRO is a police position, they are trained by the police department, preform a police function. Why would that be a School position? The only reason the school was involved in that was due to the fiscal position of the city at that time. They offered to cover the cost to keep the position to help us and the students. It should have come back to the city when we came out of fiscal emergency. So there is no reason anyone would be "thrown under the Monroe Local School's Bus".
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