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    Posted: Feb 27 2018 at 9:50am
Letter from John Beagle to Dr. Phil Cagwin and Holly Cahall

Phil and Holly,
 
I saw Dr. Cagwin posted an article that does not support teachers being armed.
 
In the light of that post, does the school district have any new or additional plans to improve security and protection of our school children?
 
Do we have bulletproof glass at the entries?
Do we have an armed police officer in the building? What about our primary school?
Is the Butler County Sheriff's Department assisting with protection?
Are your security cameras all working and being actively managed?
 
Thanks for shedding any light on the subject you can.
 
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John,   you are correct that I am not in favor of arming teachers.  If armed security is necessary in our public schools, I'd prefer that responsibility to be in the hands of trained Police officers rather than teachers.  We partner with the City of Monroe to provide a school resource officer in our schools, and other officers on regular patrol stop in to visit our buildings.  We are fortunate to have the Monroe Police Department minutes from our two buildings.  The Butler County Sheriff's department has never offered security assistance, but we would welcome their deputies into our buildings also.  Out of concern for the safety of our students and staff, I don't want to get into other specifics about building security, but I can confirm that yes, we have security cameras in good working condition inside and outside our school buildings.   Phil
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I think having staff armed is not the answer. The school really needs to step up and hire an outside contractor for armed security guards. This should be a priority before swimming pools and gyms. Now that we know staff can carry on school property it should be easy to get this done. Would be a great business opportunity for retired police officers to start a school security business. ABC Security. :)
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Originally posted by Todd Todd wrote:

I think having staff armed is not the answer. The school really needs to step up and hire an outside contractor for armed security guards. This should be a priority before swimming pools and gyms. Now that we know staff can carry on school property it should be easy to get this done. Would be a great business opportunity for retired police officers to start a school security business. ABC Security. :)

Interesting idea but how do you fund it?
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The city and school are looking at possibly getting another SRO. The police chief is looking at all the options from private security to retired police officers. We will be working with the school on the cost of another SRO. I do think we need to look at all options besides arming teachers. I believe we need more than one SRO or at least give him some help. As far as funding goes the school can afford to pay the salary of another SRO or a private security company if needed. The SRO now covers three buildings. Teachers having guns would cover more area in the school than one or two officers but I wouldn’t want my kid going to school with a bunch of teachers carrying guns.
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John Beagle, are you in business involving security systems? Todd, do you have a vested interest in an armed security company? Either way, I have no dog in this hunt. I am certainly not willing to shoulder any additional costs to pay for an armed security force. To me, if this step is deemed necessary, the school system will need to reallocate resources from their current budget, at no additional cost to the taxpayer. Finally, Todd: when did staff get approval to carry weapons on school property? I was unaware of this.
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The issue at hand...GUNS. Has been, is, and always will be.
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Originally posted by basser basser wrote:

The issue at hand...GUNS. Has been, is, and always will be.


If you could disarm every Freaking,stupid, crazy out there I would agree. Given that YOU CANNOT!! Absolute disarmament is not the answer. Better/more stringent enforcement of Mental Health and/or public call-ins to local authorities should be taken more seriously and entered into public ( and law enforcement records... WITH APPOINT follow-up
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Originally posted by basser basser wrote:

John Beagle, are you in business involving security systems? Todd, do you have a vested interest in an armed security company? Either way, I have no dog in this hunt. I am certainly not willing to shoulder any additional costs to pay for an armed security force. To me, if this step is deemed necessary, the school system will need to reallocate resources from their current budget, at no additional cost to the taxpayer. Finally, Todd: when did staff get approval to carry weapons on school property? I was unaware of this.


I have no vested interest in an armed security company. As far as teachers carrying concealed weapons on school eproperty. That is the conversation right now is it not? You have the Butler County Sheriff giving free CCW classes to teachers so they can carry on school property. I wonder how many of the “300” teachers that applied for his free CCW classes were Monroe teachers?
The Public Safety Committee met with the SRO and the Police Chief last week and discussed what was needed if anything and the only thing that came out of the meeting was possibly getting another SRO if the school was wanting that. Most of us agreed that this would be a better option than arming teachers. But the decision of arming teachers or getting another SRO is on the school and not the city. The committee agreed to have the City Manager reach out to the school and see what their thoughts were and go from there.
As far as other options like retired police officers and armed security company’s. Those are other options that should be looked into that might be better than two SRO’s covering three buildings.
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The taxpayers will be paying for the additional positions.................and they should be

A couple more bucks in taxes would be worth it IMO
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Allowing staff to carry weapons in school could possibly turn in to a nightmare. Scenario 1: There has been a report of an active shooter at the school. Local, county, state and SWAT arrive quickly to the scene. Law enforcement bursts inside, weapons drawn and ready. There stands the Art teacher (example) with a 50 caliber Desert Eagle. The entire scene is chaos at the moment. How does the law enforcement officer make a determination in a split second if this is friend or foe? Scenario 2: Let’s say the Art teacher (example) does manage to shoot a half dozen rounds attempting to protect the students, but innocents are accidentally shot during this very stressful time. Surely, lawsuits will follow. What are the legal issues in this wrongful shooting? Is the Art teacher (example) hung out to dry? Would the school board or superintendent be held accountable? Finally, if the school board does choose to hire a private security firm, they could reach out to Betsy DeVos, the U.S. Secretary of Education. Her brother, Erik Prince, is the founder of Blackwater Security, a private contractor. The company name was recently changed to Academi.
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Florida legislators passed a $67 million statewide program that will train and arm teachers — despite vocal opposition from some Parkland residents. 
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This is nothing but politics: NRA politics. Less than 10%, an estimated 5 million gun owners, belong to the NRA. In other words, somewhere between 70-80 million gun owners do NOT belong to the NRA. I am one of the 70-80 million non-members. How is it that the NRA has such power in our political arena?
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