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Originally posted by MFD50 MFD50 wrote:

Not too late to be forgiven though.

My guess is Ted loves one thing a little bit too much for you to forgive him in the end.

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....for him to be forgiven in the end.

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All this talk about Church and Homosexuals and nobody mentions the Cincinnati Archdiocese?  You all are off your game today.  What about the catholic church under the direction of Daniel Pilarczyk?
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I appreciate you posting the entire text so there is no way someone could take this out of context. As you can clearly see, there is a long list of sins in this text, in which envy, malice, boastfulness and being disobedient to your parents is included. Sounds like we are all guilty to me.

And I wish you had put the rest of the verses in Romans, because following the discussion Paul was having with the Roman church regarding what we eat and drink he includes, 

" So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God." Romans 14:22 

The book of Romans was meant to address those inside the church, not those outside of it. 

PS - Jesus never once preached about homosexuality. Probably a good cue to step off that box.
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Originally posted by MFD50 MFD50 wrote:

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I'm lost.  So why is this bar a "place of iniguity[sic]"?
 
Romans 1 verses 20 through 32.


Well I'm not here to argue theology.  That would be pointless I'm sure.  I actually did attend seminary and I have studied these verses inside and out and consulted biblical scholars much wiser than I.  

Let's just say that I do not agree with whatever bible translation you are using.  The translation has been distorted from the Greek.  Especially in verse 27.  It is simply not a direct translation.  A simple Google search might open your eyes to a lot written in these verses.  However, it's a bit like telling a Democrat not to get all their info from MSNBC.  You have to be open to different teachings and references than JUST the ones being used at your home church.  God cannot be put into a box and labeled Baptist or Pentecostal or Catholic or whatever else.

But alas, we will agree to disagree.  And I will refuse to judge homosexuals.  

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Originally posted by ellarbee1000 ellarbee1000 wrote:

I appreciate you posting the entire text so there is no way someone could take this out of context. As you can clearly see, there is a long list of sins in this text, in which envy, malice, boastfulness and being disobedient to your parents is included. Sounds like we are all guilty to me.

And I wish you had put the rest of the verses in Romans, because following the discussion Paul was having with the Roman church regarding what we eat and drink he includes, 

" So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God." Romans 14:22 

The book of Romans was meant to address those inside the church, not those outside of it. 

PS - Jesus never once preached about homosexuality. Probably a good cue to step off that box.

Well said.

There are many holes in using these verses to condemn homosexuality though I've heard many a person try.  I always ask for a Jesus reference.  Surely if it was important enough, Jesus himself would have had much to say about the topic.  Look at how many times He spoke about money.  Plus, as you said, the bible MUST be read in context.  Who wrote what and why?  Who was the target audience?  Was Paul writing to the Monrovians and he knew we would be reading his words centuries later?  I will say that my favorite is when people dare to use the Old Testament as their defense against homosexuality.  That's laughable.  Do we really want to try and live under Old Testament laws because there are some doozies in there!
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I do not judge the homosexuals God will do that Himself. I do not hate anyone but I do have a preference as to where I hang out. I have friends that prefer the same sex and even though I know that they are wrong I pray that God will give them a convicting spirit to change and ask for giveness. As for all those that have fallen from so called grace they were hiding behind a shame and God will also judge them in the end. Yes I believe that the Bible is God's given word to mankind and there is very little error in the translation and those errors that are there have nothing to do with the doctrine of Jesus Christ. He is King and He will be back coming from the eastern sky with a shout to bring home those that believe in Him and have followed His commandments. You may continue to try and judge me but I know there is only one whose judgement counts!
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My granddaddy told me never to discuss politics or religion. So Monroe has a gay bar. Fits right in with Husler, prison and the new racino. Lets not forget about Bristols and the ever popular lot lizzards at the old Stoney Ridge. The gay bar has had little to no effect on this community, where as Monroe cheerleading outfits hit national news. Go figure.
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Originally posted by MFD50 MFD50 wrote:

Not too late to be forgiven though.
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Originally posted by MFD50 MFD50 wrote:

I do not judge the homosexuals

Originally posted by MFD50 MFD50 wrote:

I do not plan to visit this place of iniguity.


You cannot say that you do not judge certain people and then turn right around and say that they are wicked or immoral or whatever other adjectives you use to define iniquity.  Calling it iniquity is the very act of passing judgement no matter how fancy the Chirstianese is that you use to say it.
 


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I never said they were wicked or evil or immoral. God hates the act not the person. God hates sin not the sinner. I do not hate and do not judge. But I also do not frequent the places that push these ideas forward. I know that is different from what the Bible teaches because most likely that is where you would have found Jesus as He said (paraphrasing) Why do the healthy need a physician? When the pharisees asked Him why He dined with the publicans and tax collectors.
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Matthew said something to the effect, "judge not, lest you be judged".
I was always taught to mind your own business and not worry what others are doing. Seems like good advice still.
Twelve years of Catholic school also taught me to be tolerant of others. The bar in question does not bother anyone---in fact many never knew it was there. Don't like it? Then don't go in it.
 
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Originally posted by MFD50 MFD50 wrote:

I never said they were wicked or evil or immoral. God hates the act not the person. God hates sin not the sinner. I do not hate and do not judge. But I also do not frequent the places that push these ideas forward. I know that is different from what the Bible teaches because most likely that is where you would have found Jesus as He said (paraphrasing) Why do the healthy need a physician? When the pharisees asked Him why He dined with the publicans and tax collectors.

I appreciate your clarification.

Again, I will disagree a tad.  I totally agree that God hates the sin and the act of sinning.  But until someone can prove to me from the New Testament that homosexuality is indeed a sin, then it's a non-issue.  The way I read the scripture, through use of reading the original language in context, Jesus probably would NOT have been hanging out at such a place as you suppose.  To use your same quote, why do the healthy need a physician?  I guess that's where we differ.  You see them as unhealthy or sinners.  I do not.

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I am finding this whole topic pretty amusing. 
 
First of all, without personally knowing anyone, who patronizes this bar (or owns it), I am going to go out on a limb and "assume" that if they wanted everyone talking about it, they would have brought it up themselves.  The part that I am finding particularly funny, is that there are a lot of people that are taking the time to accuse, and try to "shame", someone who does not want to patronize the bar, because of their religious beliefs.  This person is being referred to as "judgemental" and "intolerant"--and maybe they are.  But, each and every one of you are just as guilty--including the OP!
 
Everyone has their own opinion, about this topic, and no amount of arguing/name calling, etc. is going to change that.  I'm sure the people, who enjoy spending time at this bar, really appreciate the negative attention that this topic has drawn for them.
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I like that Old Street allows smoking.  Typically after hours.

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Good point Animal. The thread was started pointing out positive things about the establishment, then MFD laid down the closet comment. My point in listing this on the thread was to maybe point out that this business doesn't get the same publicity as other businesses in the community. Again, as I stated previously, the place was a blast!
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Originally posted by Animal1993 Animal1993 wrote:

The part that I am finding particularly funny, is that there are a lot of people that are taking the time to accuse, and try to "shame", someone who does not want to patronize the bar, because of their religious beliefs.  This person is being referred to as "judgemental" and "intolerant"--and maybe they are.  But, each and every one of you are just as guilty--including the OP!

It actually has nothing to do with shaming someone because they will not patronize the bar . It has everything to do with awareness and tolerance. The person being "shamed" made a comment about the place being a place of iniquity with absolutely zero evidence of anything wicked or immoral or evil going on.  You are welcome to be amused by that, I just do not find it funny in any way . 
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Well I'm not here to argue theology.  That would be pointless I'm sure.  I actually did attend seminary and I have studied these verses inside and out and consulted biblical scholars much wiser than I.  

Let's just say that I do not agree with whatever bible translation you are using.  The translation has been distorted from the Greek.  Especially in verse 27.  It is simply not a direct translation.  A simple Google search might open your eyes to a lot written in these verses.  However, it's a bit like telling a Democrat not to get all their info from MSNBC.  You have to be open to different teachings and references than JUST the ones being used at your home church.  God cannot be put into a box and labeled Baptist or Pentecostal or Catholic or whatever else.

 

[/QUOTE] Since you have a somewhat "flexible" living, breathing definition of the intent of the Bible, and have studied it from many angles, I have a simple question that might clear up something I have pondered on within this thread.
 
What is a sin to your beliefs, or is it not possible to sin once you are in God's Graces? Any? Many? Few? None? Specifics? Do you even believe in God, or believe this is all just one big cosmic accident.


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Originally posted by vegasmayor vegasmayor wrote:

Originally posted by Animal1993 Animal1993 wrote:

The part that I am finding particularly funny, is that there are a lot of people that are taking the time to accuse, and try to "shame", someone who does not want to patronize the bar, because of their religious beliefs.  This person is being referred to as "judgemental" and "intolerant"--and maybe they are.  But, each and every one of you are just as guilty--including the OP!

It actually has nothing to do with shaming someone because they will not patronize the bar . It has everything to do with awareness and tolerance. The person being "shamed" made a comment about the place being a place of iniquity with absolutely zero evidence of anything wicked or immoral or evil going on.  You are welcome to be amused by that, I just do not find it funny in any way . 
 
LOL!  No it doesn't!  His opinion doesn't agree with yours, so he is wrong, and you want to take your ball and go home.  Get over it.  Why does everyone around here want to keep beating a dead horse?  Seriously--I'm really not trying to be nasty (although I'm sure the "tone" of my post probably seems that way).  Everyone needs to stop making this type of thing such a big deal--that's how feelings get hurt, in the first place.  I have "gay" friends.  They know that I don't agree with their lifestyle, but I don't make it a condition of our friendship--and *gasp* they are ok with that!
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Originally posted by blueblood blueblood wrote:


Since you have a somewhat "flexible" living, breathing definition of the intent of the Bible, and have studied it from many angles, I have a simple question that might clear up something I have pondered on within this thread.

 
What is a sin to your beliefs, or is it not possible to sin once you are in God's Graces? Any? Many? Few? None? Specifics? Do you even believe in God, or believe this is all just one big cosmic accident.

My beliefs have nothing to do with a homosexual bar in Monroe, Ohio.  Hence me not trying to force feed my beliefs or my bible version on others.  
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Originally posted by Animal1993 Animal1993 wrote:

I have "gay" friends.  

"gay" friends?
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Originally posted by Animal1993 Animal1993 wrote:



It actually has nothing to do with shaming someone because they will not patronize the bar . It has everything to do with awareness and tolerance. The person being "shamed" made a comment about the place being a place of iniquity with absolutely zero evidence of anything wicked or immoral or evil going on.  You are welcome to be amused by that, I just do not find it funny in any way . 
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LOL!  No it doesn't!  
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You're right.  How silly of me to think I actually knew the reason I was posting.  Next time I will definitely ask YOU what I mean before I make a post.  
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Originally posted by vegasmayor vegasmayor wrote:

Originally posted by Animal1993 Animal1993 wrote:

I have "gay" friends.  

"gay" friends?
 
...?  Is there where I am supposed to defend my comment...?  Would it have made a difference, if I had said "homosexual"?
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