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He started the Weather Channel. I think he knows a bit more about the weather than you do Matt. I saw no wiki contradicting this fact that John Coleman thinks about Global Warming and greedy politicians.

Matt you are forgetting the biggest threat to Global Warming and it has nothing to do with man. Solar Flares!


A single big solar flare can put out 10% as much energy as the rest of the Sun combined. 

Solar flares are huge explosions on the surface of the Sun, the result of vast amounts of energy released when magnetic field lines get tangled up and suddenly snap. And when I say vast... a single flare can release 10% as much energy as the entire Sun, the equivalent of 10 billion one-megaton nuclear bombs.

This could melt the polar caps and kill all the polar bears and penguins. And Man had nothing to do with it. There are plenty of other things the the earth and the solar system will do way before it shakes off all it's man fleas* and goes on about its billion billion year evolution.

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Ha! Well of course he knows more about weather than I do (I should have seen that one coming). I'm not comparing him to myself. But there are thousands of people who have better credentials and more experience working with data than him and me. I've been quoting them. 

Besides, my point still stands. He said nothing in that article besides just yelling SCAM a lot. Which is basically no different than guys on street corners with signs that say the "End is Near." He isn't going to convince many people without some empirical data, except for people who just like to hear other people spout off talking points and views that align with their own. 

Well of course solar flares impact the environment. There are literally billions of things that can and do impact the environment! I don't think many people have forgotten or neglected this fact. 

The Earth is getting warmer and humans are contributing to that. How much and what the potential impact could be are still up for debate, but nearly all scientists with any type of weather background are pretty much settled on this.

Al Gore was the worst thing to happen to global warming. Once he entered the mix, he politicized it and the public split down partisan lines. Now people are against global warming with nothing to back it up except other conservatives yelling out talking points. 

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I have to agree with you one everything except one point. 

Al Gore was the best thing that happened to Global Warming, not the worst. Without Happy Al, everyone would see global warming for something that it is not.

As for scientific proof, in 2008, The Heartland Institute, headquartered in Chicago, began organizing international conferences of scientists from across the globe who want to raise and discuss intellectually troubling questions and doubts regarding the theory that human activity is causing ultimately catastrophic global warming. Six conferences have taken place to date, attracting more than 3,000 scientists, journalists, and interested citizens from all over the world.

In 2009, Heartland published Climate Change Reconsidered: The Report of the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC). That 860-page careful, dispassionate, thoroughly scientific volume, produced in conjunction with the Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP) and the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, explored the full range of alternative views to the UN’s IPCC. Two years later, Heartland published the 418 page Climate Change Reconsidered: The 2011 Interim Report of the NIPCC, which updated the research regarding global warming and “climate change” since the 2009 volume.

Read these reports and get back with me if you still convinced that man is the only cause of global warming. Or even if man is the leading cause of global warming. 

Shocking conclusion: There is not enough scientific proof to draw any conclusion about global warming. Take for example this excerpt from section 4.1.1 of the Nipccreport.org report regarding Glaciers:

"The full story must begin with a recognition of just
how few glacier data exist. Of the 160,000 glaciers
presently known to exist, only 67,000 (42 percent)
have been inventoried to any degree (Kieffer et al.,
2000). Mass balance data (which would be positive
for growth, negative for shrinkage) exist for more
than a single year for only slightly more than 200
(Braithwaite and Zhang, 2000). When the length of
record increases to five years, this number drops to
115; and if both winter and summer mass balances are
required, the number drops to 79. Furthermore, if 10
years of record is used as a cutoff, only 42 glaciers
qualify. This lack of glacial data, in the words of
Braithwaite and Zhang, highlights “one of the most
important problems for mass-balance glaciology” and
demonstrates the “sad fact that many glacierized
regions of the world remain unsampled, or only
poorly sampled,” suggesting we really know very
little about the true state of most of the world’s
glaciers." Continued

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Funny the global whiners have not mentioned this at all. But have one little hot spot in texas and the loons are screaming global warming for weeks.

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Wait! This can't be true! This is science after all. Not a single model is true? They are 0 for life then. How did they make it to the Majors and last this long. Oh so it isn't science then, it is theory! But the issue is closed and final so says the anointed one and you are all going to pay regardless. The absolute worst thing to ever happen to America. Barry you are really something.
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/climatism-watching-climate-science/2013/jul/30/why-climate-models-are-wrong/
Why the climate models are wrong
 

CHICAGO, July 30, 2013 — Climate science is in turmoil. Contrary to predictions by the world’s leading climate models and despite rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, global surface temperatures have been flat for 16 years. How can it be that the climate models are wrong?

Last October, the UK Daily Mail announced that temperature data from the UK Meteorological Office showed no global warming for 16 years. In December, an advance chart from the upcoming Fifth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change showed a divergence between model projections and actual global temperatures. In January of this year, the Met Office revised their forecast of temperatures down to almost no increase over the next five years.
 
All major climate models have overestimated the effects of man-made warming. Analysis by Dr. Roy Spencer and Dr. John Christy shows that 44 of the world’s leading climate models projected an average temperature rise of about 0.5oC during the last 16 years when measured temperatures were flat. The analysis was recently updated to include 73 of the leading climate models. Not a single model made an accurate forecast.






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Look climate change is the libtards religion, you cant see it, hear it, prove it or disprove it  you just have to believe. Now repent your sins and give them your evil global warming money.


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I am loving the global warming we have been experiencing last week, this week, next week. We may set a record for the most pleasant summer.
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When you quote institutions that actively deny climate change, credentials are moot. When you quote blogs - there is no credibility.
 
Directly from NOAA: 
 

"Every single month since 1985 has been warmer than the historic average," Holt said. "All 12 of the warmest years on record have come in the last 15 years."[data released by scientists at the NOAA and NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies]

The global temperature in every month since February 1985 has been above the 20th Century average for its respective month, according to the NOAA.

As for the warmest years on record, NOAA scientists estimate that the last 15 years have included the 14 hottest years and NASA scientists have said that same time period included the 13 hottest years.

 
There is nothing wrong with denying it, or even saying lies about it - but eventually you'll be called a liar.
 
I think humans have had a hand, but for the most part the earth is in essence "healing" itself. It's a cycle, but we've accelerated it.
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This one may be legit!SmileWink
http://news.yahoo.com/global-warming-causing-brain-eating-parasites-flourish-194600987.html
Is global warming causing brain-eating parasites to flourish?
 
 
 


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http://rare.us/story/associated-press-retracts-bogus-north-pole-lake-photo/

Global BS, Fail. No wonder libtards lap it up their faux news feeds them bs and they eat it gladly. 
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We have some trees here changing colors and losing leaves. It is August. I hope this global warming is not causing an early winter for us :-)
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Production of goods that Americans consume like sharks in a blood pool may cause great harm to the entire planet. But you don't see us slowing the feeding frenzy, do you?
As long as people such as Al Gore continue to live in mansions that consume tens of thousands of dollars in utilities per year, I will continue to live my life as I see fit, without a second guess, without remorse. I'll be damned if I let the ultra wealthy tell me I am to blame for the worlds ills.
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Although the NOAA report noted that in 2012, “the Arctic continues to warm” with “sea ice reaching record lows,” it also stated that the Antarctica sea ice “reached a record high of 7.51 million square miles” on Sept. 26, 2012.

And the latest figures for this year show that there’s been a slowdown of melting in the Arctic this summer as well, with temperatures at the North Pole well below normal for this time of year. Meteorologist Joe Bastardi calls it “the coldest ever recorded.”

- See more at: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/what-global-warming-2012-data-confirms-earth-cooling-trend#sthash.S0mXzvPR.dpuf
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Guess people are tired of the democrats crap.

http://freebeacon.com/ofa-gets-zero-attendance-for-climate-change-rally/
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A little long, but you will be more at ease for reading!
Relax. It’s not Global Warming ‘End Times’
 

By: Marc Morano
5/14/2013 01:16 PM

 

The level of carbon dioxide, a trace essential gas in the atmosphere that humans exhale from our mouths, has come very close to reaching the “symbolic” 400 parts per million (ppm) threshold in the atmosphere. Former Vice President Al Gore declared the 400 ppm level “A sad milestone. A call to action.”  New York times reporter Justin Gillis compared trace amounts of CO2 to “a tiny bit of arsenic or cobra venom.” The New Yorker Magazine declared “Everything we use that emits carbon dioxide needs to be replaced with something that doesn’t.”  And a UK Guardian editorial declared “Swift political action can avert a carbon dioxide crisis.”

But despite the man-made global warming fear movement’s clarion call of alarm, many scientists are dismissing the 400ppm level of carbon dioxide as a non-event. Scientists point out that there are literally hundreds of factors that govern Earth’s climate and temperature – not just CO2. Renowned climatologists have declared that a doubling or even tripling of CO2 would not have major impacts on the Earth’s climate or temperature.

Scientists also note that geologically speaking, the Earth is currently in a “CO2 famine” and that the geologic record reveals that ice ages have occurred when CO2 was at 2000ppm to as high as 8000ppm. In addition, peer-reviewed studies have documented that there have been temperatures similar to the present day on Earth when carbon dioxide was up to twenty times higher than today’s levels. And, a peer-reviewed study this year found that the present day carbon dioxide level of 400ppm was exceeded — without any human influence — 12,750 years ago when CO2 may have reached up to 425 ppm.

Princeton U. Physicist Dr. William Happer and NASA Moonwalker & Geologist Dr. Harrison H. Schmitt wrote on May 8, 2013 in the Wall Street Journal:  “Thanks to the single-minded demonization of this natural and essential atmospheric gas by advocates of government control of energy production, the conventional wisdom about carbon dioxide is that it is a dangerous pollutant. That’s simply not the case.”

“The cessation of observed global warming for the past decade or so has shown how exaggerated NASA’s and most other computer predictions of human-caused warming have been—and how little correlation warming has with concentrations of atmospheric carbon dioxide. As many scientists have pointed out, variations in global temperature correlate much better with solar activity and with complicated cycles of the oceans and atmosphere. There isn’t the slightest evidence that more carbon dioxide has caused more extreme weather,” Happer and Schmidt wrote.

Princeton’s Dr. Happer, who has authored 200 peer-reviewed scientific papers, explained in Senate testimony in 2009 that the Earth is currently in a ‘CO2 ‘famine.’ Happer explained to Congress:  ”Warming and increased CO2 will be good for mankind…’CO2 is not a pollutant and it is not a poison and we should not corrupt the English language by depriving ‘pollutant’ and ‘poison’ of their original meaning,” Happer added. 

“Many people don’t realize that over geological time, we’re really in a CO2 famine now. Almost never has CO2 levels been as low as it has been in the Holocene (geologic epoch) – 280 (parts per million – ppm) – that’s unheard of. Most of the time [CO2 levels] have been at least 1000 (ppm) and it’s been quite higher than that,” Happer told the Senate Committee. “Earth was just fine in those times,” Happer added. “The oceans were fine, plants grew, animals grew fine. So it’s baffling to me that we’re so frightened of getting nowhere close to where we started,” Happer explained.

The claim by global warming activists and scientists that CO2 is the global temperature “control knob” has been challenged in the peer-reviewed literature and the Earth’s geologic history.

‘You can go outside and spit and have the same effect as doubling carbon dioxide’

Renowned atmospheric scientist Dr. Reid Bryson, (who died in 2008), explained in 2007: “You can go outside and spit and have the same effect as doubling carbon dioxide.” Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ, agreed with Bryson. “Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapor and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will,” Duffy wrote.

Climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables, not just CO2.

UK Professor Emeritus of Biogeography Philip Stott of the University of London explains the crux of the entire global warming debate and rebuts the notion that CO2 is the main climate driver.

“As I have said, over and over again, the fundamental point has always been this: climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables, and the very idea that we can manage climate change predictably by understanding and manipulating at the margins one politically-selected factor (CO2), is as misguided as it gets,” Stott wrote in 2008. It is not simply, the sun or CO2 when looking at global temperatures, it is the Sun, volcanoes, tilt of the Earth’s axis, water vapor, methane, clouds, ocean cycles, plate tectonics, albedo, atmospheric dust, Atmospheric Circulation, cosmic rays, particulates like Carbon Soot, forests and land use, etc. Climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables, not just CO2.

Even the climate activists at RealClimate.org let this point slip out in a September 20, 2008 article. “The actual temperature rise is an emergent property resulting from interactions among hundreds of factors,”RealClimate.org conceded.

Former Harvard University Physicist Dr. Lubos Motl dismissed any significance to 400ppm of CO2 in an essay on May 12, 2013 titled “Why we should work hard to raise the CO2 concentration”: “CO2 is primarily plant food while its other implications for Nature are negligible in comparison. Humanitarian orgs should work hard to help mankind to increase the CO2 concentration,” Motl wrote. “’CO2 is the key compound that plants need to grow – and, indirectly, that every organism needs to get the food at the end,” he added.

Other analyses have shown CO2 loses any ‘warming’ impact as the levels increase. See: The effectiveness of CO2 as a greenhouse gas becomes ever more marginal with greater concentration – ’The effectiveness of CO2 as a greenhouse gas diminishes logarithmically with increasing concentration and from the current level of ~390 ppmv, (parts per million by volume). Accordingly only ~5% of the effectiveness of CO2 as a greenhouse gas remains beyond the current level’

In February 2013, global warming activists were stunned by the retreat of one of their former UN scientists. Top Swedish Climate Scientist Dr. Lennart Bengtsson, formerly of the UN IPCC, declared CO2”s “heating effect is logarithmic: the higher the concentration is, the smaller the effect of a further increase.”  Bengtsson noted that global warming would not even be noticeable without modern instruments. “The warming we have had last a 100 years is so small that if we didn’t have climatologists to measure it we wouldn’t have noticed it at all’ — Award-Winning Dr. Lennart Bengtsson, formerly of UN IPCC: ‘We Are Creating Great Anxiety Without It Being Justified…there are no indications that the warming is so severe that we need to panic…The warming we have had the last a 100 years is so small that if we didn’t have had meteorologists and climatologists to measure it we wouldn’t have noticed it at all.”

In addition, New Zealand Climate Scientist Chris de Freitas revealed on May 1, 2009 that “warming and CO2 are not well correlated.” de Freitas added, “the effect of CO2 on global temperature is already close to its maximum. Adding more has an ever decreasing effect.”

Australian Geologist Dr. Ian Plimer wrote on August 8, 2009: “At present, the Earth’s atmosphere is starved of CO2.” Plimer, who authored the skeptical book Heaven and Earth, added, “On all time scales, there is no correlation between temps and CO2. If there is no correlation, then there can be no causation.”

Professor Dr. Doug L. Hoffman, mathematician, computer programmer and engineer, wrote on August 24, 2009: “There have been ice ages when the levels of Co2 in Earth’s atmosphere have been many times higher than today’s.” Hoffman, who worked on environmental models and conducted research in molecular dynamics, co-authored the 2009 book, The Resilient Earth.

Other studies have shown carbon dioxide does not control the Earth’s temperature, but it is actually the reverse. See: New Paper: Danish Physicist Dr. Henrik Svensmark’s Cosmic Jackpot: ‘Svensmark stands the currently popular CO2 story on its head…Climate and life control CO2, not the other way around’ – ‘Some geoscientists want to blame the drastic alternations of hot and icy conditions during the past 500 million years on increases and decreases in carbon dioxide, which they explain in intricate ways. For Svensmark, the changes driven by the stars govern the amount of carbon dioxide in the air. Climate and life control CO2, not the other way around…’The UK Royal Astronomical Society in London publishes Svensmark’s latest paper’

Many skeptical scientists point out that temperature leads CO2 in the ice core data. See:  ‘The ice core data clearly reveal temperature increases generally precede increasing CO2 by several hundred to a few thousand years’

 ‘Temperature drives CO2’

Ivy League geologist Dr. Robert Giegengack, former chair of Department of Earth and Environmental Science at the University of Pennsylvania,  spoke out in 2007 against fears of rising CO2 impacts promoted by Gore and others. Giegengack noted “for most of Earth’s history, the globe has been warmer than it has been for the last 200 years. It has rarely been cooler.” (LINK) “[Gore] claims that temperature increases solely because more CO2 in the atmosphere traps the sun’s heat. That’s just wrong … It’s a natural interplay. As temperature rises, CO2 rises, and vice versa,” Giegengack explained. “It’s hard for us to say that CO2 drives temperature. It’s easier to say temperature drives CO2,” he added. (LINK) ”The driving mechanism is exactly the opposite of what Al Gore claims, both in his film and in that book. It’s the temperature that, through those 650,000 years, controlled the CO2; not the CO2 that controlled the temperature,” he added. (LINK)

Meteorologist Tom Wysmuller: ‘The Recent Temperature and CO2 Disconnect’ – Even going back ten centuries, there have been total disconnects between temperature and the CO2 impact, or lack thereof.  From 1000AD to 1800, over a period of relatively stable CO2 values that bounced around the 280ppm level, temperatures plummeted in the Little Ice Age (LIA) and then rebounded over a century later.  CO2 values neither led nor followed the temperature declines and recoveries…CO2 seems to have had little impact in EITHER direction on the observed temperatures over that 10k year period…If CO2 is to be considered a major driver of temperatures, it is doing a counterintuitive dance around the numbers.’

Other scientists agree:

“The Kyoto theorists have put the cart before the horse. It is global warming that triggers higher levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, not the other way round…A large number of critical documents submitted at the 1995 U.N. conference in Madrid vanished without a trace. As a result, the discussion was one-sided and heavily biased, and the U.N. declared global warming to be a scientific fact,” Andrei Kapitsa, a Russian geographer and Antarctic ice core researcher.

“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

“Based on the laws of physics, the effect on temperature of man’s contribution to atmospheric CO2 levels is minuscule and indiscernible from the natural variability caused in large part by changes in solar energy output.” - Atmospheric Scientist Robert L. Scotto, who has more than 30 years air quality consulting experience, served as a manager for an EPA Superfund contract and is co-founder of Minnich and Scotto, Inc., a full-service air quality consulting firm. He also is a past member of the American Meteorological Society (AMS). Scotto, a meteorologist who has authored or co-authored numerous technical publications and reports.

“The energy mankind generates is so small compared to that overall energy budget that it simply cannot affect the climate…The planet’s climate is doing its own thing, but we cannot pinpoint significant trends in changes to it because it dates back millions of years while the study of it began only recently. We are children of the Sun; we simply lack data to draw the proper conclusions.” — Russian Scientist Dr. Anatoly Levitin, the head of geomagnetic variations laboratory at the Institute of Terrestrial Magnetism, Ionosphere and Radiowave Propagation of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

Marc Morano is publisher of Climate Depot & Former Staff of U.S. Senate Environment & Public Works Committee.



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CO2 is the work of the Devil. Trying to trick us into thinking the Earth and the Universe and such is really old. Like his dinosaur bone trickery. 
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What are you disproving here blueblood? There are many scientists who believe in global warming who know that CO2 is not the main or perhaps even the primary factor in global warming. This is well known. Just like it's silly to point out a cold day in August or a hot day in January as evidence for or against global warming, it's also silly to think that there is one factor that contributes to climate.
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The coldest winter I ever spent was the summer I spent in Monroe!
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Originally posted by Matt_Steele Matt_Steele wrote:

Also, what happened when the Earth's atmosphere was mostly CO2? It was pretty hot out there. When the dinosaurs were around, with higher CO2 levels, it was also much warmer.


That is a complete lie. I mean, the exhibit at the Creation Museum explains that it was hot here because people were BBQ'ing dinosaurs all the time.

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Originally posted by Matt_Steele Matt_Steele wrote:

Just like it's silly to point out a cold day in August or a hot day in January as evidence for or against global warming, it's also silly to think that there is one factor that contributes to climate.
Funny that is exactly how you started this forum. Oh look its hot in DC must be global whining!
But now you say not to look at that, so in essence your just another peddler of a false science.
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Originally posted by bobpreston bobpreston wrote:

Originally posted by Matt_Steele Matt_Steele wrote:

Just like it's silly to point out a cold day in August or a hot day in January as evidence for or against global warming, it's also silly to think that there is one factor that contributes to climate.
Funny that is exactly how you started this forum. Oh look its hot in DC must be global whining!
But now you say not to look at that, so in essence your just another peddler of a false science.


Yet I didn't use one data point, I used 3 years, then I followed it up in subsequent posts with tons more data.

Come on Bob, even in your most surly days you're better than this
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Originally posted by bobpreston bobpreston wrote:

Originally posted by Matt_Steele Matt_Steele wrote:

Just like it's silly to point out a cold day in August or a hot day in January as evidence for or against global warming, it's also silly to think that there is one factor that contributes to climate.
Funny that is exactly how you started this forum. Oh look its hot in DC must be global whining!
But now you say not to look at that, so in essence your just another peddler of a false science.



I wonder how they chose which ones to cook and which ones to saddle up and ride around on.

On a related note...I don't think attendance at the creation museum was going all that well.

They recently installed some "zip lines".

I'm not sure what zip lines have to do with creation or the rest of their message....but it just may attract some much needed visitors. 

Did Sister Theresa miss teaching us about the part in the bible where Peter met with Jesus by rendezvous of zip lining from platform to platform?


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I think I've got it now. Global warming causes the oceans to cool. Brilliant. Your grants are safe for now. With all the activity geared toward choking off the world economy with restrictions, overlooked is the obvious. Ban all forms of exercise that cause any abnormal heavy breathing! Wink
http://news.yahoo.com/cooler-pacific-ocean-may-explain-climate-change-paradox-194050396.html

Cooler Pacific Ocean May Explain Climate Change Paradox

LiveScience.comBy By Denise Chow, Staff Writer | LiveScience.com – 19 hrs ago
 
Cooling sea-surface temperatures in the tropical Pacific Ocean — a phase that is part of a natural warm and cold cycle — may explain why global average temperatures have stabilized in recent years, even as greenhouse gas emissions have been warming the planet, according to new research.

The findings suggest that the flattening in the rise of global temperatures recorded over the past 15 years are not signs of a "hiatus" in global warming, but are tied to cooling temperatures in the tropical or equatorial Pacific Ocean. When the tropical Pacific naturally switches back into a warm phase, the long-term trends in global warming, including more steeply rising global temperatures, will likely increase, said study co-author Shang-Ping Xie, a climate scientist at the University of California, San Diego.

"We had this puzzle — the concentration of carbon dioxide was over 400 ppm, last year we had record summer heat waves in the U.S., record retreat of Arctic sea ice. All of these things are consistent with the general warming of the climate," Xie said. "Yet, if you plot the global temperature, you see a flattening average over the last 15 years. On the one hand, scientists are saying carbon dioxide is causing the general rise of global temperatures, but on the other hand, in recent years there is no warming, so something very strange is going on."
 
There are still many unknowns about how this warming and cooling in the Pacific Ocean interacts with man-made greenhouse gas emissions to change the Earth's climate.

"We had El Niñolong before we had anthropogenic forcing — they occur independently of man-made forcing, certainly," Moum said.



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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/10294082/Global-warming-No-actually-were-cooling-claim-scientists.html

There has been a 60 per cent increase in the amount of ocean covered with ice compared to this time last year, they equivalent of almost a million square miles.

In a rebound from 2012's record low an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia's northern shores, days before the annual re-freeze is even set to begin.

The Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific has remained blocked by pack-ice all year, forcing some ships to change their routes.

A leaked report to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) seen by the Mail on Sunday, has led some scientists to claim that the world is heading for a period of cooling that will not end until the middle of this century.

If correct, it would contradict computer forecasts of imminent catastrophic warming.

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I would say nice find- put you posted a report from and openly conservative / right wing
Publication.

Sorry dude, but when 96% of scientists are in agreement....come on, be realistic.

There's a reason it's not being referred to as global warming much anymore- due to scientific inquiry we learned that its not necessarily warming- but rather changing.

It may not be 100% man made, but we definitely didn't help :-/
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