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    Posted: Sep 19 2013 at 11:53am
Debt ceiling fun!

Just for the record, raising the debt ceiling only allows the US to pay it's bills already incurred (not to increase spending or the deficit)

Anyway this is a fun article:

The new Washington Post/ABC News poll on the debt ceiling tells us something remarkable: Among Republicans who believe that not raising the debt ceiling wouldcause serious harm to the economy, a majority of them wants Congress not to raise it anyway. By contrast, Americans overall see it in the opposite way.

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How to square that? Simple: Among Republicans who believe not raising it would cause serious economic harm, a majority say don’t raise it by 53-32.

And there it is: Republicans want Congress not to raise the debt ceiling, even if it would cause widespread economic harm.



I personally think that most people don't fully understand the debt ceiling, what it does and what it doesn't do. I don't think anyone would actually want Congress to purposefully and intentional enact serious economic harm to the United States.

However, Congressional Republicans are playing a dangerous game. So much so that even places like the Chamber of Commerce and other very republican business organizations are telling them to stop playing games and raise the debt ceiling. 

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How much koolaid did you have to drink to buy into the stupid of your president?
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Originally posted by bobpreston bobpreston wrote:

How much koolaid did you have to drink to buy into the stupid of your president?

Unless you've recently renounced your citizenship, he's your President too. Which always brings a smile to my face.

Anyway, as for the kool-aid, if it wasn't Purplesaurus Rex, I wasn't drinking it.


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For all the low information coalition:
"Raising the debt ceiling, which has been done over a hundred times, does not increase our debt."
Barrack Obama 2013
 
 


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Raising the debt ceiling allows us to increase our debt. However Obama is technically correct (political speak) when he says raising the debt limit doesn't raise the debt.

Its sort of like raising the speed limit. That doesn't necessarily mean that cars will go faster but you know they will.

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It's the exact same thing as increasing your credit limit. You may not go out and rack more debt up...but yes, you probably will.
 
It's not the smartest thing, but much smarter than "shutting down the government".
 
For these Teabillies to say they're such uber patriots, they sure seem to hate the country and it's system.
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And also, FYI, it wasn't Kool-aid that Jonestown used. It was Flavor-Aide...Kool aid thanks you for differentiating the two :-)
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Umm that debt is there regardless, raising the debt limit just allows us to pay back the bills that were already spent. It would be an absolute nightmare if we didn't raise the debt limit.

Just for starters, look at the last time we had conversations about it:




And in case you're like, wait, those dummycrats made this chart, that data can't be right!

You can look it up yourself




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And it will plunge again, as soon as the fed stops printing a trillion dollars per year of free funny money. Obama has done nothing but choke the economy until its eyes bug out with thousands of constrictive executive orders. It will not get  better until he, and this whole outfit are gone, and the American people turn over a new leaf with some common sense and intestinal fortitude.
I could live with a large part of government GONE on a permanent basis, and we would hardly know they left!


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The point of the debt ceiling debate is to force discussion on spending.  Of course the debt is still there either way, but can we figure out a way to get BOTH parties to stop spending more money than we have so we don't have to keep raising the stupid thing?  Politicians, especially the left leaning ones, have an insatiable appetite for spending our money and the debt ceiling appears powerless to stop them, so how else do you get their attention? 
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Originally posted by dad0f3 dad0f3 wrote:

The point of the debt ceiling debate is to force discussion on spending.  Of course the debt is still there either way, but can we figure out a way to get BOTH parties to stop spending more money than we have so we don't have to keep raising the stupid thing?  Politicians, especially the left leaning ones, have an insatiable appetite for spending our money and the debt ceiling appears powerless to stop them, so how else do you get their attention? 


By defaulting on debts, you would cause a lot more problems to our country than you would by having a high deficit.
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Halliburton and Bechtel really like uncheck spending. Oh, wait we can't blame unaccountable spending on them.
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Originally posted by blueblood blueblood wrote:



And it will plunge again, as soon as the fed stops printing a trillion dollars per year of free funny money. Obama has done nothing but choke the economy until its eyes bug out with thousands of constrictive executive orders. It will not get  better until he, and this whole outfit are gone, and the American people turn over a new leaf with some common sense and intestinal fortitude.
I could live with a large part of government GONE on a permanent basis, and we would hardly know they left!


You mean the contracts signed with Halliburton?
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September 20, 2013 9:30 PM
American Banana Republic
The decay of a free society doesn’t happen overnight, but we’re getting there.
By  Mark Steyn

‘This is the United States of America,” declared President Obama to the burghers of Liberty, Mo., on Friday. “We’re not some banana republic.”

He was talking about the Annual Raising of the Debt Ceiling, which glorious American tradition seems to come round earlier every year. “This is not a deadbeat nation,” President Obama continued. “We don’t run out on our tab.” True. But we don’t pay it off either. We just keep running it up, ever higher. And every time the bartender says, “Mebbe you’ve had enough, pal,” we protest, “Jush another couple trillion for the road. Set ’em up, Joe.” And he gives you that look that kinda says he wishes you’d run out on your tab back when it was $23.68.

Still, Obama is right. We’re not a banana republic, if only because the debt of banana republics is denominated in a currency other than their own — i.e., the U.S. dollar. When you’re the guys who print the global currency, you can run up debts undreamt of by your average generalissimo. As Obama explained in another of his recent speeches, “Raising the debt ceiling, which has been done over a hundred times, does not increase our debt.” I won’t even pretend to know what he and his speechwriters meant by that one, but the fact that raising the debt ceiling “has been done over a hundred times” does suggest that spending more than it takes in is now a permanent feature of American government. And no one has plans to do anything about it. Which is certainly banana republic-esque.

Is all this spending necessary? Every day, the foot-of-page-37 news stories reveal government programs it would never occur to your dimestore caudillo to blow money on. On Thursday, it was the Food and Drug Administration blowing just shy of $200 grand to find out whether its Twitter and Facebook presence is “well-received.” A fifth of a million dollars isn’t even a rounding error in most departmental budgets, so nobody cares. But the FDA is one of those sclerotic American institutions that has near to entirely seized up. In October 1920, it occurred to an Ontario doctor called Frederick Banting that insulin might be isolated and purified and used to treat diabetes; by January 1923, Eli Lilly & Co were selling insulin to American pharmacies: A little over two years from concept to market. Now the FDA adds at least half-a-decade to the process, and your chances of making it through are far slimmer: As recently as the late Nineties, they were approving 157 new drugs per half-decade. Today it’s less than half that.

But they’ve got $182,000 to splash around on finding out whether people really like them on Facebook, or they’re just saying that. So they’ve given the dough to a company run by Dan Beckmann, a former “new media aide” to President Obama. That has the whiff of the banana republic about it, too.

The National Parks Service, which I had carelessly assumed was the service responsible for running national parks, has been making videos on Muslim women’s rights: “Islam gave women a whole bunch of rights that Western women acquired later in the 19th and 20th centuries, and we’ve had these rights since the seventh century,” explains a lady from AnNur Islamic School in Schenectady at the National Park Service website, nps.gov. Fascinating stuff, no doubt. But what’s it to do with national parks? Maybe the rangers could pay Dan Beckmann a quarter-million bucks to look into whether the National Parks’ Islamic outreach is using social media as effectively as it might.

Where do you go to get a piece of this action? As the old saying goes, bank robbers rob banks because that’s where the money is. But the smart guys rob taxpayers because that’s where the big money is. According to the Census Bureau’s latest “American Community Survey,” between 2000 and 2012 the nation’s median household income dropped 6.6 percent. Yet in the District of Columbia median household income rose 23.3 percent. According to a 2010 survey, seven of the nation’s ten wealthiest counties are in the Washington commuter belt. Many capital cities have prosperous suburbs — London, Paris, Rome — because those cities are also the capitals of enterprise, finance, and showbiz. But Washington does nothing but government, and it gets richer even as Americans get poorer. That’s very banana republic, too: Proximity to state power is now the best way to make money. Once upon a time Americans found fast-running brooks and there built mills to access the water that kept the wheels turning. But today the ambitious man finds a big money-no-object bureaucracy that likes to splash the cash around and there builds his lobbying group or consultancy or social media optimization strategy group.

The CEO of Panera Bread, as some kind of do-gooder awareness-raising shtick, is currently attempting to live on food stamps, and not finding it easy. But being dependent on government handouts isn’t supposed to be easy. Instead of trying life at the bottom, why doesn’t he try life in the middle? In 2012, the top 10 percent were taking home 50.4 percent of the nation’s income. That’s an all-time record, beating out the 49 percent they were taking just before the 1929 market crash. With government redistributing more money than ever before, we’ve mysteriously wound up with greater income inequality than ever before. Across the country, “middle-class” Americans have accumulated a trillion dollars in college debt in order to live a less comfortable life than their high-school-educated parents and grandparents did in the Fifties and Sixties. That’s banana republic, too: no middle class, but only a government elite and its cronies, and a big dysfunctional mass underneath, with very little social mobility between the two.

Like to change that? Maybe advocate for less government spending? Hey, Lois Lerner’s IRS has got an audit with your name on it. The tax collectors of the United States treat you differently according to your political beliefs. That’s pure banana republic, but no one seems to mind very much. This week it emerged that senior Treasury officials, up to and including Turbotax Timmy Geithner, knew what was going on at least as early as spring 2012. But no one seems to mind very much. In the words of an insouciant headline writer at Government Executive, “the magazine for senior federal bureaucrats” (seriously), back in May:

“The Vast Majority of IRS Employees Aren’t Corrupt”

So, if the vast majority aren’t, what proportion is corrupt? Thirty-eight percent? Thirty-three? Twenty-seven? And that’s the good news? The IRS is not only institutionally corrupt, it’s corrupt in the service of one political party. That’s Banana Republic 101.

What comes next? Government officials present in Benghazi during last year’s slaughter have been warned not to make themselves available to congressional inquiry. CNN obtained one e-mail spelling out the stakes to CIA employees: “You don’t jeopardize yourself, you jeopardize your family as well.”

“That’s all very ominous,” wrote my colleague Jonah Goldberg the other day, perhaps a little too airily for my taste. I’d rank it somewhere north of “ominous.”  

“Banana republic” is an American coinage — by O. Henry, a century ago, for a series of stories set in the fictional tropical polity of Anchuria. But a banana republic doesn’t happen overnight; it’s a sensibility, and it’s difficult to mark the precise point at which a free society decays into something less respectable. Pace Obama, ever swelling debt, contracts for cronies, a self-enriching bureaucracy, a shrinking middle class preyed on by corrupt tax collectors, and thuggish threats against anyone who disagrees with you put you pretty far down the banana-strewn path.



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Originally posted by blueblood blueblood wrote:

And it will plunge again, as soon as the fed stops printing a trillion dollars per year of free funny money. Obama has done nothing but choke the economy until its eyes bug out with thousands of constrictive executive orders. It will not get  better until he, and this whole outfit are gone, and the American people turn over a new leaf with some common sense and intestinal fortitude.
I could live with a large part of government GONE on a permanent basis, and we would hardly know they left!
What's ironic about this, is that if he "had done nothing" you (on the right) would be complaining he wasn't doing enough...can't have it both ways...
 
If you're so into a small, or non-existent government - go on vacation in Somalia and let me know how that goes for you...
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We are so large and locked into perpetuity, we cannot be stopped as a juggernaut out of control government.  Few will even notice what happens if not for the media's constant bemoaning and telling everyone how they should believe and feel.
http://news.yahoo.com/shutdown-impact-tourists-homebuyers-hit-quickly-213542750--politics.html
 

Shutdown impact: Tourists, homebuyers hit quickly

Associated PressBy SAM HANANEL | Associated Press –
 

WASHINGTON (AP) — A government shutdown would have far-reaching consequences for some, but minimal impact on others.

Mail would be delivered. Social Security and Medicare benefits would continue to flow.

But vacationers would be turned away from national parks and Smithsonian museums. Low-to-moderate income borrowers and first-time homebuyers seeking government-backed mortgages could face delays.

A look at how services would or would not be affected if Congress fails to reach an agreement averting a government shutdown at midnight Monday.

AIR TRAVEL

Federal air traffic controllers would remain on the job and airport screeners would keep funneling passengers through security checkpoints. Federal inspectors would continue enforcing safety rules.

INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL

The State Department would continue processing foreign applications for visas and U.S. applications for passports, since fees are collected to finance those services. Embassies and consulates overseas would continue to provide services to American citizens.

BENEFIT PAYMENTS

Social Security and Medicare benefits would keep coming, but there could be delays in processing new disability applications. Unemployment benefits would still go out.

FEDERAL COURTS

Federal courts would continue operating normally for about 10 business days after the start of a shutdown, roughly until the middle of October. If the shutdown continues, the judiciary would have to begin furloughs of employees whose work is not considered essential. But cases would continue to be heard.

MAIL

Deliveries would continue as usual because the U.S. Postal Service receives no tax dollars for day-to-day operations. It relies on income from stamps and other postal fees to keep running.

RECREATION

All national parks would be closed, as would the Smithsonian museums, including the National Zoo in Washington. Visitors using overnight campgrounds or other park facilities would be given 48 hours to make alternate arrangements and leave the park. Among the visitor centers that would be closed: the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island in New York, Independence Hall in Philadelphia, Alcatraz Island near San Francisco and the Washington Monument.

HEALTH

New patients would not be accepted into clinical research at the National Institutes of Health, but current patients would continue to receive care. Medical research at the NIH would be disrupted and some studies would be delayed. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention would be severely limited in spotting or investigating disease outbreaks, from flu to that mysterious MERS virus from the Middle East.

FOOD SAFETY

The Food and Drug Administration would handle high-risk recalls suspend most routine safety inspections. Federal meat inspections would be expected to proceed as usual.

HEAD START

A small number of Head Start programs, about 20 out of 1,600 nationally, would feel the impact right away. The federal Administration for Children and Families says grants expiring about Oct. 1 would not be renewed. Over time more programs would be affected. Several of the Head Start programs that would immediately feel the pinch are in Florida. It's unclear if they would continue serving children.

FOOD ASSISTANCE

The Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children, known as WIC, could shut down. The program provides supplemental food, health care referrals and nutrition education for pregnant women, mothers and their children.

School lunches and breakfasts would continue to be served, and food stamps, known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, would continue to be distributed. But several smaller feeding programs would not have the money to operate.

TAXES

Americans would still have to pay their taxes and file federal tax returns, but the Internal Revenue Service says it would suspend all audits. Got questions? Sorry, the IRS says taxpayer services, including toll-free help lines, would be shut as well.

LOANS

Many low-to-moderate incomes borrowers and first-time homebuyers seeking government-backed mortgages could face delays during the shutdown. The Federal Housing Administration, which guarantees about 30 percent of home mortgages, wouldn't underwrite or approve any new loans during the shutdown. Action on government-backed loans to small businesses would be suspended.

SCIENCE

NASA will continue to keep workers at Mission Control in Houston and elsewhere to support the International Space station, where two Americans and four others are deployed. The National Weather Service would keep forecasting weather and issuing warnings and the National Hurricane Center would continue to track storms. The scientific work of the U.S. Geological Survey would be halted.

HOMELAND SECURITY

The majority of the Department of Homeland Security's employees are expected to stay on the job, including uniformed agents and officers at the country's borders and ports of entry, members of the Coast Guard, Transportation Security Administration officers, Secret Service personnel and other law enforcement agents and officers. U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services employees would continue to process green card applications.

MILITARY

The military's 1.4 million active duty personnel would stay on duty, but their paychecks would be delayed. About half of the Defense Department's civilian employees would be furloughed.

PRISONS

All 116 federal prisons would remain open, and criminal litigation would proceed.

VETERANS SERVICES

Most services offered through the Department of Veterans Affairs will continue because lawmakers approve money one year in advance for the VA's health programs. Veterans would still be able to visit hospitals for inpatient care, get mental health counseling at vet centers or get prescriptions filled at VA health clinics. Operators would still staff the crisis hotline and claims workers would still process payments to cover disability and pension benefits. But those veterans appealing the denial of disability benefits to the Board of Veterans Appeals will have to wait longer for a decision because the board would not issue any decisions during a shutdown.

WORK SAFETY

Federal occupational safety and health inspectors would stop workplace inspections except in cases of imminent danger.



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I think the 800,000 people that will be furloughed would probably notice. 

All the people in DC would notice too, especially when the entire city has to shut down. Trash pickup for one would cease. Granted the mayor is declaring that their city employees are essential but the legality of that is very questionable.

Plus I happen to think that the CDC shutting down is a pretty big deal. Sure you might not notice right away but if a disease were to hit, you'd notice pretty fast.

Shutting down the government is stupid, careless and irresponsible. Aren't we better than that as Americans? 

Besides, government shutdowns usually COST MONEY!!!!! If people are so worried about out of control spending, why are they pursuing strategies that will cost money? 

(Because, spoiler alert, it's not really about "saving money" it's all some ridiculous ideological battle)

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"Shutting down the government is stupid, careless and irresponsible. Aren't we better than that as Americans? " Matt Steele

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I thought the shutdown was over defunding Obamacare and not about spending? 
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Here's a great graphical breakdown of who goes to work and who stays home in a gov't shutdown

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Originally posted by dad0f3 dad0f3 wrote:

I thought the shutdown was over defunding Obamacare and not about spending? 


And yet it starts tomorrow, government shutdown or not
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Originally posted by Matt_Steele Matt_Steele wrote:

Here's a great graphical breakdown of who goes to work and who stays home in a gov't shutdown


Looks like a good thing to me, most of these people are wasted jobs anyway. The EPA could be cut to that level  permanently.
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Originally posted by bobpreston bobpreston wrote:

Originally posted by Matt_Steele Matt_Steele wrote:

Here's a great graphical breakdown of who goes to work and who stays home in a gov't shutdown


Looks like a good thing to me, most of these people are wasted jobs anyway. The EPA could be cut to that level  permanently.
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