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    Posted: May 23 2017 at 10:52am
Here is a book that many election deniers should read. It's on my recommended list for all those who only listen to the main stream media. 

ABOUT THE BOOK

Judging by the stance of the leadership of the Democratic Party and much of the media, Hillary Clinton’s devastating loss in the presidential election of November 2016 was all the fault of pernicious Russian leaks, unwarranted FBI investigations and a skewed electoral college. Rarely blamed was the party’s decision to run a deeply unpopular candidate on an uninspiring platform.

At a time of widespread dissatisfaction with business-as-usual politics, the Democrats chose to field a quintessential insider. Her campaign dwelt little on policies, focusing overwhelmingly on the personality of her opponent.

That this strategy was a failure is an understatement. Losing an election to someone with as little competence or support from his own party as Donald Trump marked an extraordinary fiasco.

The refusal of the Democratic leadership to identify the real reasons for their defeat is not just a problem of history. If Democrats persevere with a politics that prioritizes well-off professionals rather than ordinary Americans, they will leave the field open to right wing populism for many years to come.

Drawing on the WikiLeaks releases of Clinton’s talks at Goldman Sachs and the e mails of her campaign chief John Podesta, as well as key passages from her public speeches, How I Lost By Hillary Clinton also includes extensive commentary by award-winning journalist Joe Lauria, and a foreword by Julian Assange, editor-in-chief of WikiLeaks.

It provides, in the words of the Democratic candidate and her close associates, a riveting, unsparing picture of the disastrous campaign that delivered America to President Trump, and a stark warning of a mistake that must not be repeated.

262 pages • Paperback ISBN 978-1-682190-85-2 • E-book 978-1-682190-86-9

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Losing an election to someone with as little competence or support from his own party as Donald Trump marked an extraordinary fiasco.
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My opinion is that Hillary Clinton was one of the worst possible candidates the Democrats could have put forth.  Obviously, even in saying that, there is a bit of controversy over whether she was the rightful candidate in the first place.  Bernie Sanders would have some things to say I'm sure. 

I do find it funny, though, that Republicans would also make the argument of how awful she was.  Because if she was so awful (which I don't disagree with) and their candidate lost the popular vote to her, that doesn't say much about their candidate either.
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Darn you made me post this map. 


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What does a county map have to do with the total number of votes?  Which, by definition, is what a popular vote is.  You realize how scarcely populated those red sections are compared to the blue sections, correct?  Have you ever seen a picture of the United States taken from space at night? 
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Originally posted by vegasmayor vegasmayor wrote:


What does a county map have to do with the total number of votes?  Which, by definition, is what a popular vote is.  You realize how scarcely populated those red sections are compared to the blue sections, correct?  Have you ever seen a picture of the United States taken from space at night? 



Remember that we (The USA) are a REPUBLIC and NOT a DEMOCRACY. Had we been a " pure Democracy", the majority could "impose it's will" on the minority.....continuing suppression of minority groups. In a Republic, the Majority cannot take away the rights of a minority state/district. The founding Fathers recognized that there were large and small states/disticts and the overall "Popular vote" should not negate/overrule the smaller states/districts votes/interests.
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Originally posted by MElass MElass wrote:

Originally posted by vegasmayor vegasmayor wrote:


What does a county map have to do with the total number of votes?  Which, by definition, is what a popular vote is.  You realize how scarcely populated those red sections are compared to the blue sections, correct?  Have you ever seen a picture of the United States taken from space at night? 



Remember that we (The USA) are a REPUBLIC and NOT a DEMOCRACY. Had we been a " pure Democracy", the majority could "impose it's will" on the minority.....continuing suppression of minority groups. In a Republic, the Majority cannot take away the rights of a minority state/district. The founding Fathers recognized that there were large and small states/disticts and the overall "Popular vote" should not negate/overrule the smaller states/districts votes/interests.


Wow, this took a weird turn. Does anyone actually read the previous posts? I was never arguing the validity of the electoral college. My original post, in a nutshell, was "this one clown beat this other clown even though more people voted for the second clown." The point was that both were/are clowns and not fit to run a country (in my opinion).
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You specifically referenced the POPULAR vote. I apologize that I (apparently)mistook that as indicating the popular vote was more"important/significant" than the Electoral college vote.
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I was making a point about overall popularity of a candidate.  Hence my use of the popular vote.  I think it was John's confusing reference to a United States county map that threw this whole thread sideways.

I stand by my original thought.  Two clowns.  One clown won.  But both are clowns.  Why are people defending either clown?  (my opinion only)
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I will have to disagree with your characterization of our presidential candidates as 'clowns'.

Do you call everyone you disagree with a clown? These people were the opposite of clowns, they were not funny at all. Wink
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Too bad they aren't mimes and just shut the hell up...
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Originally posted by John Beagle John Beagle wrote:

I will have to disagree with your characterization of our presidential candidates as 'clowns'.

Do you call everyone you disagree with a clown? These people were the opposite of clowns, they were not funny at all. Wink

Touché.  They are not funny at all.  Downright rude for the most part, in fact.  If only there was a good word to describe them...
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Two ultra wealthy Plutocrats trying to convince us they are one of "us".
The clown is in the mirror.
This presidential cycle was a loss for anyone who doesn't sit on the board of major corporation.
It was a cash grab from day one.
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It's so cute that we get to pretend that we have a stake in the outcome of elections.
Well it certainly gives us all something to argue over.
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