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Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:

If you typed it read it!!
It is there in red.
 
I guess you don't know what you typed because you can't read it.
 
Never called you a racist said you made a racist remark. Get it right.
 
You call people racist.
 
Ryan of Colonial Manor in Monroe you are misguided.
 
Don't cry about being attacked now either as in other posts. Not attacking.
 
Good bye princess
 
What exactly was said that was racist? I'm pretty sure he's suggesting that there are numerous black kids that go missing and there isn't even remotely the media frenzy there was over the the kid at UC, who is white.
 
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Remember this "It is all in the context the word was used"
 
It is the perception that was being thrown out.
 
also from google urban dictionary.
 
"the slang term for white people used by black people, the same black people that would get offended if a white person called them a n"
 
So it was a racial comment in my opinioin
 
 
 
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interesting.

I would not have thought of "white boy" to even remotely be slang.
 
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It isn't.

He is very very confused. Comparing the term white boy to the N word just goes to show how disconnected from reality he is.   

He's talking about context and is only quoting 5 words from two paragraphs. Talk about not understanding what context means.

But yes while we are here and he is confused let's connect the dots for him.   There was a young black girl that went missing the same time as the young white man in question.

Was her picture on billboards? Was she the lead story on the news every night? Nope.   Not at all. Nope.   Not at all. Why? Please tell me Mr genius.   

I've said nothing racist here the only thing we have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt is that you lack understanding of the English language.   Keep grasping at straws buddy.   It's comical.

Originally posted by jrock1203 jrock1203 wrote:

 
Guess I'm gettin' old...LOL


Not old; you just posses more than 2 brain cells.

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Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:

Remember this "It is all in the context the word was used"
 


Yup it is.

You ignored all of it too.

You do know what the word "context" means right?

Unbelievable.




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"Not old; you just posses more than 2 brain cells."
 
And I guess I have two more than you LMFAO
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Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:

"Not old; you just posses more than 2 brain cells."
 
And I guess I have two more than you LMFAO



Not really; you don't even understand what the word context means.  Sentence context is probably a third of fourth grade concept yet it clearly is something you do not posses.


This is from your own attempts to label my remarks as racist when they clearly are not in the least.  Even when others point out to you how wrong you are you just keep down the same path.

Never in my life have I seen a more clear example that A: You do not clearly understand the English language.  B: You do not posses a barometer on race/race relations in this country AT ALL.

Please do stay out of Cincinnati; it's a better place without you visiting. 




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Here you go Jrock


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Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:

Remember this "It is all in the context the word was used"
 
It is the perception that was being thrown out.
 


I'm sorry but I missed this gem from earlier.

Yes....it's the "perception that was being thrown out" that made my statement racist when viewed within the context of what I was saying.

Yet you can't seem to explain that context....or what made it racist....You just make accusations and can't back them up.

That's fine Cliff.   Cowards make accusations and don't back them up or explain themselves.  You run away and refuse to explain what you said. 

Below you will find my entire original statement and not just five words you quote....you know for context.  Nothing has been edited.  Have a nice night Clifford.




Originally posted by cmsquare cmsquare wrote:

Let's take a  solid look at race and how it really effects how the media reports or doesn't report a story. 


Let's take a look at how society and the media value one set of people more than another...or at least report in a way that would lead you to believe they do.

These are the hard subjects to address that no one really wants to bring up or touch.  People here couldn't even agree on the point that thug was a racist term as used by the media even when the data clearly backs it up. 

but hey...if the knockout game comes to town.....it had better be front page news....just like a missing white boy.







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I was debating with myself if I should respond or not.

Here it is:
As you, cmsquare have continuously done in countless other threads I am not going to explain it to you, it is all there for you to read. apparently you do not know the definition of the word "context" because everything leading up to "white boy" referenced race or racism

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" People here couldn't even agree on the point that thug was a racist term as used by the media even when the data clearly backs it up."
End Quote.

In addition, where is that so called data???

Therefore, because I do not explain as you never explain I guess you are a coward also!!

Sorry if you do not like it but you said it.

By the way, the definition I posted on "white boy" came from a dictionary not google images as you call "data" for the word thug.

So much for you not calling people names on this site. You have now called me a Troll, Racist, and now a Coward. WOW, you are so intelligent.

So now throw about three more post I am done with you.

Sorry to all the people in Monroe except for Ryan of Colonial Manor.

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Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:


Here it is:
As you, cmsquare have continuously done in countless other threads I am not going to explain it to you, it is all there for you to read. apparently you do not know the definition of the word "context" because everything leading up to "white boy" referenced race or racism



I sure do know the definition and I sure do know I was talking about race and the media.  The point was lost on you however.  You missed it entirely.  Context and subjet are two different things.  Try again.  CONTEXT.  Lol.  You just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt with your response how much you don't understand.  Thank you.

Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:


" People here couldn't even agree on the point that thug was a racist term as used by the media even when the data clearly backs it up."
In addition, where is that so called data???

Google Images?  You sure are thick man.  This is at least the second time this has been posted for you.  Here is your data.  You must have missed it in the original thread I can't imagine how.

http://regressing.deadspin.com/the-word-thug-was-uttered-625-times-on-tv-yesterday-1506098319

Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:

Therefore, because I do not explain as you never explain I guess you are a coward also!!


Not true at all.  That's a blatant lie.  If I made a claim someone posted something insensitive to another person/sex/race I have backed it up.  The thug post you have referenced already is proof of that.  Just because you make something up doesn't make it true.  I don't hide behind false, empty words which is exactly what your words toward me in this thread are.  if they had substances you would back them up yet you cannot.  You missed the point entirely.  In fact I still don't think you get it.


Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:


So much for you not calling people names on this site. You have now called me a Troll, Racist, and now a Coward.
 


You I make exceptions for. 

Def called you a Troll.  Never called you a racist and yes I did call you a coward.  You've been asked to explain your position and you can't; yet you still make accusations.  The few people who do read what you have to say don't even understand what is it you are trying to say. 



Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:


So now throw about three more post I am done with you.


I don't even know what this means.  Is this some sort of code.  Do you want to give out my address too like the last lady did?  Are you angling for an invite over? 




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"Def called you a Troll.  Never called you a racist and yes I did call you a coward.  You've been asked to explain your position and you can't; yet you still make accusations.  The few people who do read what you have to say don't even understand what is it you are trying to say. "

Yes you called me a racist go to the thread and read it.

You did not ask me to explain my position you asked how "white boy" was a racist term and I gave the definition from a dictionary. Don't need to explain anything else.


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Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:


You did not ask me to explain my position you asked how "white boy" was a racist term and I gave the definition from a dictionary. Don't need to explain anything else.


Giving a definition and not explaining anything further is the very definition of not looking at sentence context; something you referred to when defending your accusations to Jrock.   

I asked you to explain how what I said was racist; then specified within the context of the sentence.  More than once.  You have yet to do it.  I never asked you anything about the term white boy.  Not for one second.  You can't make things up and have them be true.  The only thing you have been able to come back with is hiding and not explaining.  Then you posted a definition from urban dictionary that doesn't apply when you look at the context of what I was saying.

Originally posted by cmsquare cmsquare wrote:



Please do tell me how what I said was racist. 
You don't even understand the point I was making.  It's WAY over your head. 



Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:

 I am not going to spell it out for you it is there in red.
 




I'll post what I said one more time for you.  Unedited.  Not racist in the least.  It's speaking on racial bias in the media.  Figure it out Clifford.  You have no point whatsoever.  As I have asked you more than once explain how what I said was racist.  You can't. I'll be waiting like I have been for days but I don't expect a response because at the end of the day the point i was making is still lost on you.  Thanks for the reply but we still don't understand what the point you are trying to make is.   We are right back we were the other day. 

Originally posted by cmsquare cmsquare wrote:


Let's take a  solid look at race and how it really effects how the media reports or doesn't report a story. 


Let's
take a look at how society and the media value one set of people more
than another...or at least report in a way that would lead you to
believe they do.

These are the hard subjects to address that no
one really wants to bring up or touch.  People here couldn't even agree
on the point that thug was a racist term as used by the media even when
the data clearly backs it up. 

but hey...if the knockout game comes to town.....it had better be front page news....just like a missing white boy.














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Alright, I'm just going to throw this out there - let's back off from the race discussion. This whole post is regarding a, basically, mugging of joe deters son. 

Back on topic guys - I think we can agree to disagree on race.

Let's just end the race part, mmmkay?
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easy to say when it's it's not your words that were called racist by someone who can't/won't back up what they have to say. 

If it had been you accused of saying something racist when you had said nothing of the sort I can guarantee you that you would not feel the same way.

Originally posted by jrock1203 jrock1203 wrote:

interesting.

I would not have thought of "white boy" to even remotely be slang.
 
Guess I'm gettin' old...LOL



You are smarter than this....you and I both know it.  You know white boy, even if it is slang somehow/somewhere, it wasn't used as such in the sentence I said. 

"Let's agree to disagree on race " is a cop out when this is the the discussion that was taking place.   I have zero problem agreeing to disagree when the person on the other end can make a point and logically defend it.  It has yet to be done here despite the fact that you felt his explanation as interesting. 

Do I take this to mean you felt my statement was racist?  Honest opinion please.
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CM,
I clicked on the "625 Thug" link you posted and read the article, including the author's opinion that "knucklehead" is also a racist word.   Question:
 
Purely hypothetical...My teenage grandson is giving his sister a hard time and reaches over and punches her in the arm.  I say "hey stop being such a thug".  What I am really saying (??) is "stop being (like)a black teenager"??????
 
Or - NOT so hypothetical...We are watching the Reds and Mike Leake has just thrown 3 straight balls to the opposing pitcher, my husband says: "C'mon, knucklehead!". He is really saying "stop being (like) Alfredo Simon or Johnny Cueto"?
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Originally posted by cmsquare cmsquare wrote:

easy to say when it's it's not your words that were called racist by someone who can't/won't back up what they have to say. 

If it had been you accused of saying something racist when you had said nothing of the sort I can guarantee you that you would not feel the same way.

Originally posted by jrock1203 jrock1203 wrote:

interesting.

I would not have thought of "white boy" to even remotely be slang.
 
Guess I'm gettin' old...LOL



You are smarter than this....you and I both know it.  You know white boy, even if it is slang somehow/somewhere, it wasn't used as such in the sentence I said. 

"Let's agree to disagree on race " is a cop out when this is the the discussion that was taking place.   I have zero problem agreeing to disagree when the person on the other end can make a point and logically defend it.  It has yet to be done here despite the fact that you felt his explanation as interesting. 

Do I take this to mean you felt my statement was racist?  Honest opinion please.
 
Not at all, and it may be a cop out - but this is an endless discussion. That's all Smile
 
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Originally posted by MElass MElass wrote:

CM,
I clicked on the "625 Thug" link you posted and read the article, including the author's opinion that "knucklehead" is also a racist word.  


I don't think the article was saying anything was or was not a "racist word" per se.  Certainly not 100% of the time cut and dry.

The article was looking at using words and who they are used to talk about.  The data showed the what stories triggered the use of such words; knucklehead being one.

Maybe I missed the point but no one was trying to stop the use of the word knucklehead or the word thug for that matter.  Acting like it isn't a word with racial connotations and being used as such by the mainstream media is another story though.




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Originally posted by jrock1203 jrock1203 wrote:

 
Not at all, and it may be a cop out - but this is an endless discussion. That's all Smile
 


We will have to agree to disagree then.

The discussion of race in general sure...it's an endless discussion.

The discussion of weather I said something racist or racially insensitive here in this thread...that's a quick discussion if you can read and understand what was being said.
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Originally posted by MElass MElass wrote:

CM,
Purely hypothetical...My teenage grandson is giving his sister a hard time and reaches over and punches her in the arm.  I say "hey stop being such a thug".  What I am really saying (??) is "stop being (like)a black teenager"??????
 



Would you really tell your grandson to stop being a thug?  I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the above statement but judging from all the things I have seen come from you over the course of you being here I don't think it's the way you talk.  I think if you were being honest you would naturally use another word and that's kind of the point.

The media uses lots of words to describe lots of people; take a look at when they use thug and more importantly when they don't. 

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Also, my opinion is that no, CM, your comment was not racist in the slightest.
 
 
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1)I agree the term is and has been used in a racist manner but your usage was not. It was valid to point out that a great deal of media attention was given to a missing white boy, while black youth do not garner the same attention in similar situations.

2) You have to remember that I grew up in a time and geographical area when/where half the (white) boys in my class were called thugs because oftheir dress and demeaner. So, yes, I might call my grandson a thug in a
certain situation. It just doesn't mean the same to me as it does to you---that is my point.

3) Let's look at my original scenarios in a different way. Grandson's Black friend is visiting. He punches grandson in arm. I tell him to stop being a thug. NOW, I am a racist??
My husband has called about every Red's player a knucklehead. He is only a racist when he is addressing a Black player?
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These are the kinds of discussions that are A;) interesting and B) something can actually come out of.

to your point #2 I agree and see your point.  It is subjective to the person and surroundings/upbringing.  especially when considering potential international factors.

as far as 3 no I don't think you are a racist in either manner; if knucklehead is a word you typically use.  I do think that the standards we hold a person too in passing conversation and the standards we hold the media too should be different. 

One persons words in passing do not have the impact that a news broadcast does which is really where the discussion on the word thug began.  Richard Sherman is a Stanford educated, intelligent man; but because he chose to express himself and mad some white people uncomfortable he was labeled a thug by the media.  In that instance....I do believe it absolutely had racial connotations.  That was really water under the bridge at this point but RM asked for the data and I gave it.  No google images...just hard data.

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Originally posted by jrock1203 jrock1203 wrote:

Also, my opinion is that no, CM, your comment was not racist in the slightest.
 
 


thank you. 

he has yet to provide one piece of intelligent thought backing up his empty claims. 
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Originally posted by cmsquare cmsquare wrote:

These are the kinds of discussions that are A;) interesting and B) something can actually come out of.

to your point #2 I agree and see your point.  It is subjective to the person.

as far as 3 no I don't think you are a racist in either manner; if thug is a word you typically use.  I do think that the standards we hold a person too in passing conversation and the standards we hold the media too should be different things.


 
Agree.   And to 3:  I have come to understand that thug has become offensive to some, even though I don't see it that way.  And in light of the fact I am living NOW, I sould rethink using the word at all.
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