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    Posted: Oct 18 2013 at 11:25pm

MONROE —

A Monroe council member is due in court next week after allegedly being unruly with a police officer.

Steve Black, 42, is facing misdemeanor charges of disorderly conduct and obstructing official business for an incident that happened about 9:25 p.m. Sunday night at his Bedrock Drive home.

Monroe Police Officer Paul Corbeil responded to the residence on a report of loud music. While in route, the officer said he could hear the music from Britton Lane, which is about a half mile away, according to the police report.

Corbeil reported he saw numerous vehicles parked outside the residence.

“Then I walked around the right side of the residence to the fence and shined my light up on to the deck area where several people were sitting and listening to music. I then instructed a male subject on the deck that the music needed to be turned down, that it was too loud and we had received a complaint,” the officer said in the report.

The man, later identified as Black, yelled “get the (expletive) off my property,” according to police.

Corbeil said attempted to get Black, who has slurred speech, to show him some identification and the situation began to escalate. According to the report, Black said “you don’t know who I am.”

The officer advised Black to respond to the police department the next day to pick up a summons for his actions.

Black said the gathering was to celebrate his son’s homecoming from Afghanistan.

“We had some music playing, but it wasn’t extraordinarily loud,” Black said, noting the officer did not identify himself when he came on his property and climbed over his fence.

He added, “There are accusations in the report that are wrong and inaccurate. The officer violated my 4th amendment rights.”

Black is scheduled to appear Wednesday in Butler County Area II Court.

Black was charged in 2012 with driving under the influence when he was stopped by the Ohio Highway Patrol in West Chester Twp. That case is still pending in court.

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“We had some music playing, but it wasn’t extraordinarily loud,” Black said, noting the officer did not identify himself when he came on his property and climbed over his fence.

Let me guess, he was "Blacked Out".
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Kick a guy while he is down.

Not cool.

If the officer did climb over his fence I would expect this to be thrown out pretty quickly.

Either way this is in poor taste.

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I agree with CM. Steve and I have gone "round and round" on issues in the past, but I'm on his side on this issue. If I had a son coming home from Afghanistan, I would have a party too. And you know what, 10 years from now his son being home will be a more lasting memory than this incident.
Also, 9:30 PM seems a little early to be complaining about noise..............
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I can understand the party for his son returning home. I would have had one too. However, I would most likely rented a place and had it inside. We have to understand that we cannot violate other peoples rights and that includes a peaceful place to live. Steve has a problem with alcohol and that is becoming very evident through the press. I do not believe the officer climbed over the fence but did exactly as he said and “Then I walked around the right side of the residence to the fence and shined my light up on to the deck ..." Steve was evidently intoxicated and I question his memory of the events surrounding the confrontation. I would believe the officer before I would believe a drunken individual.
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Bookmark632.03   FIXED SOUND SOURCES IN RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
   The following circumstances apply to fixed sound sources located in any residential or commercial district and shall be enforced between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and 8:00 a.m. No person shall:
   (a)   Use, operate or permit to be played, any radio receiving set, musical instrument or any other sound-amplifying device for the producing or reproducing of sound in such manner as to disturb the peace, quiet and comfort of the neighboring inhabitants. The operation of any such set, instrument or sound-amplifying device in such manner as to be plainly audible at a distance of 75 feet from the building or structure in which it is located shall be prima facie evidence of a violation of this section.
   (b)   Operate any noise -creating blower or power fan or an internal combustion engine, the operation of which causes noise due to the explosion of operating gases or fluids, unless the noise from such blower or fan is muffled and such engine is equipped with a muffler device sufficient to deaden such noise .
   (c)   Operate any pile driver, steam shovel, pneumatic hammer, derrick, steam or electric hoist tractor, or other mechanical apparatus operated by fuel or electric power, the use of which produces loud and unusual noise .
   (d)   Operate any other motorized or non-motorized device which causes noise which is plainly audible at a distance of 75 feet from the building, structure or open-air site in which the source of the noise is located.
(Ord. 97-26. Passed 9-23-97.)
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Without disclosing where Mr. Black lives, I can say without a doubt that it is a far shorter distance than a 'half of a mile' from Britton Lane.
His back yard is more like a couple of hundred feet.
 
But with that said, a 4th Amendment fight is going to be a tough one. Long before, but most recently due to the Patriot Act, the 4th Amendment is a practically non-existant part of the US Constitution. At any moment, for little to no reason, a dozen different local, state and federal authorities could decend on your property, warrentless.
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Based on the above ord. and the newspaper's time quote...........

Unless there was some other reason for an officer to be there, the officer was trepassing once Steve told him to leave...It is known that a few officers of Monroe, Ohio really have limited knowledge of the law or push the line..

Your front and side yards are a means to allow guests to "hello" the resident, but a fenced , locked or posted area is off limits unless a crime is being committed or a public safety issue is happening...........Really CommonSense
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I have a problem with alcohol too.

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Originally posted by MFD50 MFD50 wrote:

I can understand the party for his son returning home. I would have had one too. However, I would most likely rented a place and had it inside. We have to understand that we cannot violate other peoples rights and that includes a peaceful place to live. Steve has a problem with alcohol and that is becoming very evident through the press. I do not believe the officer climbed over the fence but did exactly as he said and “Then I walked around the right side of the residence to the fence and shined my light up on to the deck ..." Steve was evidently intoxicated and I question his memory of the events surrounding the confrontation. I would believe the officer before I would believe a drunken individual.


so because the guy was having a few beers, in his own residence in might add, celebrating the safe return of his son he "has a problem with alcohol"

As far as I am concerned he can drink as many beers or cocktails as he pleases in his own home.  Drinking in your own home and not going out driving around is being plenty responsible in my opinion.  He isn't against law as far as noise goes.

I would remind you that the first incident has yet to handled in court and we are all presumed innocent until proven guilty.  You presume guilt.

As far as how the officer handled the situation it's impossible to comment on unless you were there.  That is for the courts to decide.

Innocent until proven guilty.....that's how our justice system works.  I guess you forgot that part.


**this is just yet another example of people ridiculing those that essentially volunteer their time for the good of this town.  It's no wonder come election time there will only be a few names on the ballot.  Who would sign up for crap like this I don't know; it's amazing we have any good people doing it.

 


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I'm drinking right now, and listening to loud music in my house.
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"You don't know who I am", really guy? Was he drinking from a gold chalice? That is the only thing that bothers me here in the slightest, you can't say things like that without coming off like a delta bravo. Evel Knievel is the only one allowed to say that and he is dead. Easiest thing to do is turn it down and thank the officer and he will leave.
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The first time I read this, the "King Kong has nothing on me" line totally got me, and I was thinking "get him!"  Then I thought about it and started walking through this in my head.  A councilman on private property, complying with all laws and ordinances, and he knows it.  A policeman reacting to a noise complaint well before the ordinance takes effect.  A policemen walking directly onto private property instead of just ringing the doorbell.  Why? What was the justification?  Was the councilman a known felon?  A disagreement started with a flashlight and a demand instead of a cordial introduction.  I personally appreciate and respect the police, but I should hope that they and I could have a bit more respect for each other if we ever find ourselves in a disagreement on my own property.
 
Lets also not attack the police just yet.  There were plenty of witnesses and a lot of facts we haven't heard...  Furthermore, I think they have to make some pretty quick judgment calls and should be allowed to make some minor mistakes.
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A person doesn't have to violate an ordinance to be guilty of disturbing the peace.  The officer was obligated to investigate the complaint when he received the dispatch.  Most would expect an elected official to show a bit more respect to an officer.  
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Originally posted by monroeDad monroeDad wrote:

  A policeman reacting to a noise complaint well before the ordinance takes effect.  A policemen walking directly onto private property instead of just ringing the doorbell.  Why? What was the justification?  Was the councilman a known felon?  A disagreement started with a flashlight and a demand instead of a cordial introduction.  I personally appreciate and respect the police, but I should hope that they and I could have a bit more respect for each other if we ever find ourselves in a disagreement on my own property.
 
Lets also not attack the police just yet.  There were plenty of witnesses and a lot of facts we haven't heard...  Furthermore, I think they have to make some pretty quick judgment calls and should be allowed to make some minor mistakes.


Do you not see that your comments in the first paragraph ARE an attack on the police? I agree with your second comment above, that we should wait to make comments about this. It is a shame that the Journal didn't.

I am glad that the officer didn't arrest him, for being pulled out of his son's return from Afghanistan party would have been a terrible thing. My wife Connie had two war tours, one each in Operation Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom, and our son returned from Operation Enduring Freedom – Afghanistan just four months ago. I can very well understand wanting to have a big party to celebrate a safe return, and that the release of tension Mr. Black felt might lead to regrettable actions.

I hope that Mr. Black will appologize for any actions or comments that may have seemed problematic, and that our police department will accept it and drop the charges, because it was a special and emotional event. But it may turn out that neither is willing to do so, the police because it would be seen my many as favoritism for a city council member, and Mr. Black's attorney may advise him to remain silent, as any apology could be seen as a confession of wrongdoing and used against him.

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Originally posted by Upper90 Upper90 wrote:

"You don't know who I am", really guy? Was he drinking from a gold chalice? That is the only thing that bothers me here in the slightest, you can't say things like that without coming off like a delta bravo.


Context is everything.

We have none of it.
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Well I been gone awhile but somehow I knew this story would hit the voice.  I have known this amazing family for years.  His son has done more than one tour and what the police officer failed to mention is the fact he called the returning from war Ranger a smartass...Boy that's professional.  I have dealt with the Monroe police when my son was a teenager (after he went to bootcamp)  He just got home the day before and left my house 5 min prior to being stopped for nothing...the officer never did say why he stopped my son..but ripped his entire car apart, claiming to smell "something"  my son called me and I was there in 5 min...the guy was a jerk   there was no smells and he felt like an idiot when I said he just left my house...never any alcohol or drugs in my household.  He found nothing but wanted to speak to my son alone so he could "scare him" into going down the right path...I was very clear when I told him "no thanks tough guy"  he is more scared of me than you...he does walk down the right path he is 17 and just returned from bootcamp...now go pick the $300 baseball bat you threw across this parking lot up...you have nothing on this kid.   He was a jerk,  a "I am a big tough cop" Noooo not with my kid your not.   I filed a complaint, nothing was ever done. 
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I wonder if the Mayor will ask Mr. Black for his resignation? Much like the guy in Middletown had to go through. I think the Mayor asked him for his resignation publicly during a council meeting. He did not comply with the request though.
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I'm not sue of all the facts to pass judgement on Steve. Some of the comments here and on the Journal site have Steve tried and convicted already. And sentencing is being contemplated.

I have known Steve for nearly 15 years. In all that time I have known him, he always seemed nice. His family is even nicer. A man can't keep a nice family by being not nice. And mistakes sometimes are made on both sides. 

We don't have all the facts. Was he provoked? We don't know. Should we care? Right now all we have is speculation. The same speculation that lead many to believe that we had a horse farmer who smuggled drugs in his horses. Everyone has heard it, never proven. Probably not true.

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Originally posted by Tom B Tom B wrote:


Do you not see that your comments in the first paragraph ARE an attack on the police? I agree with your second comment above, that we should wait to make comments about this. It is a shame that the Journal didn't.
My statement reflects the limited facts we know about the event, and asks a few questions, which I believe are fair.  If it comes off as an attack, I apologize.  My basic request here is that the police just follow the golden rule.  If no attempt is made to conceal the party, no obvious violation is taking place, and there is no reason to expect any sort of foul play, just come to the front door and ask the home owner to cool it.  If the home owner acts like an idiot after that, I think it is fine to hit him with a taser and drag him back to your cruiser... 
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Absolutely Amazing! 
Nothing has changed. Lets pass judgement on someone because he gets thrown into the spotlight. 
Lets cast him into the fiery depths below the City Bldg and let him burn. I Shake my head at a lot of you.
I as well have known Steve for many years, prolly as long or longer than the Owner stated above. 
Amazing Family & A VERY educated man. Sure, he has his particular niches of being very thorough for the greater good of our City.  As well some niches we all have for ensuring a perfect social event, its second nature/job.
The Journal since our school split has become well known for spinning the facts in any way towards a negative for Monroe in General and everyone hopping on the bandwagon/lynching. 

All of you need to sit back and think "What if this were you?"

I can guarantee if it were me in this event, in reasonable hours of City Ordinances, would not have gone over this way and most likely would have been front page news. Nationwide! 

There have been many valid points stated previously. Don't throw stones at glass houses, lets let the system play out folks. The glass house, very well could be yours one day!  


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Why is this a topic for us even to talk about.  None of us were there, so your opinions either way really don't matter.

Let the court decide.
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"The Journal since our school split has become well known for spinning the facts in any way towards a negative for Monroe in General and everyone hopping on the bandwagon/lynching. " Eagle

Can you cite any articles to support your argument?
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I am amazed at the amount of people who are defending this before it has been to court and all actions are verified.  Mr. Black's son is to be commended for his service and is well deserving of a party for his safe return.  However, his neighbors deserve a peaceful environment.  The city's noise ordinance may not have been in effect due to the time of day but the city's disturbing the peace ordinance certainly was and therefore gave the officer every right to be on the property.  Had Mr. Black complied with the simple request to turn the music down (not off) this would not be news.  The attacks on the police department via his personal facebook did not go unnoticed.  I'm also guessing that when he gets caught driving on a suspended license, the police will be to blame?? 
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