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    Posted: Sep 24 2017 at 12:11am
The fact that grown men who play a child's game refuse to stand up for a song means nothing   
It's a distraction at best.
It doesn't play when I walk into work each day.
What is actually going on that our reality show host in chief doesn't want us to know about???
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But if it did play when you were at work would you stand ?
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Bad choice of words, 'means nothing'.
   Obviously it has a tremendous amount of meaning. What I do not understand is why it is played before sporting events. Just as forcing people to say the Pledge each morning actually removes the gravity of song or pledge in the first place.
The NFL is a massive business that makes money. No more, no less.
   Why then, does not all American businesses require their employees to stand for the playing of the anthem prior to each work day?
   Besides the NFL charges the government for the displays of patriotism prior to and during the games anyway. So we are all, in effect, paying a private corporation to be patriotic.
   I would guess the obligatory playing/saying of the anthem and pledge date back to the Red Scare of the 1950's.
    
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I think the players have every right to do what they are doing

If they truly believe in what they are doing they need to do more for the cause they are fighting for besides protesting on Sunday for 3 minutes

Wonder how many business play it each workday ?

Kings Island does

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He is attempting to divert attention away from the "little rocket man" threats and the Russian voter meddling investigation...
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They still have not been able to find how many times the Russians voted in November
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Fact: NFL players were not required to be on the field during the playing of the U.S. national anthem prior to 2009.
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While the Star-Spangled banner was not designated by the president as the national anthem until 1916, and not by Congress until 1931, the anthem was long favored by the military. As the civil war broke out, the anthem took on a specific significance: the song's insistence that a single flag wave over the "land of the free" seemed fitting for a war the North saw as both about national unity and slavery. It became known as the "Song of the Union." 
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After the war, the song remained the unofficial anthem of the U.S. military.

Standing during the anthem, however, was not a tradition until until long after the song obtained prominence.

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Much of the interest in the anthem in 1916/17 came out of the new nationalism of World War I. 

The significance of the anthem grew in the 1918 World Series.

Originally slated to be cancelled out of respect for those in uniform, the series was revived when it was found out that soldiers overseas had been looking forward to hearing the results of it. 

As was usual in Boston, the anthem was played in the seventh-inning stretch. 

Perhaps because the anthem was played during the stretch, and not the beginning, the audience rose to their feet along with the players and sang along.


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Over time, the national anthem would become a fixture of baseball, although its observance and importance varied over the years. This tradition later moved into football.

The specific tradition of football players standing on the sidelines during the national anthem is much more recent. While there may have been individual displays of this going back many years, the tradition of players standing on field for the Star-Spangled Banner dates back to 2009.

NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy confirmed this morning the practice began in 2009, adding, "As you know, the NFL has a long tradition of patriotism. Players are encouraged but not required to stand for the anthem.



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First, I don’t know of anyone who is forced to say the Pledge other than students in school, and children are made to do a lot of things they don’t want to do… because they are children. And that’s been going on since long before the 1950s.  

Second, when you go into work every morning, no one really cares. There isn’t a crowd of hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands of Americans cheering for you.

And the NFL is not just a business that makes money. Whether you like it or not, sports are a big part of American culture and history. And whether it's at the local school level or the highest professional level, fans take pride in their teams and the communities they represent. They are passionate about the competition, which can be fierce. But even in our rivalries we are united - what sets us against each other also brings us together. What we have in common is the love of the sport that all fans and athletes share. That’s why we take a few minutes to put the game into perspective. We play the national anthem to remind everyone how lucky we are to be in this great country with the luxury of watching a game - and that we are all Americans.

Finally - No, we are not “in effect, paying a private corporation to be patriotic.”  The U.S. military uses money from the recruiting budget to work with the NFL and take advantage of their large audience and reach as many people as possible, and hopefully inspire some young people to serve their country one day. That seems like a pretty smart way to spend tax dollars allocated for military recruiting to me.

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Originally posted by UsernameJoe UsernameJoe wrote:

First, I don’t know of anyone who is forced to say the Pledge other than students in school, and children are made to do a lot of things they don’t want to do… because they are children. And that’s been going on since long before the 1950s.  

Second, when you go into work every morning, no one really cares. There isn’t a crowd of hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands of Americans cheering for you.

And the NFL is not just a business that makes money. Whether you like it or not, sports are a big part of American culture and history. And whether it's at the local school level or the highest professional level, fans take pride in their teams and the communities they represent. They are passionate about the competition, which can be fierce. But even in our rivalries we are united - what sets us against each other also brings us together. What we have in common is the love of the sport that all fans and athletes share. That’s why we take a few minutes to put the game into perspective. We play the national anthem to remind everyone how lucky we are to be in this great country with the luxury of watching a game - and that we are all Americans.

Finally - No, we are not “in effect, paying a private corporation to be patriotic.”  The U.S. military uses money from the recruiting budget to work with the NFL and take advantage of their large audience and reach as many people as possible, and hopefully inspire some young people to serve their country one day. That seems like a pretty smart way to spend tax dollars allocated for military recruiting to me.


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The NFL makes more than $9 billion a year. The NFL is not only a business; it is a very large business. "Taking the knee" has nothing to do with disrespect for the military. Colin Kaepernick and other NFL players are protesting oppression against black people. They are asserting their constitutional right to freedom of speech. Our military fights to defend our American freedom of speech. Like it or not, it's anyone's right as an American citizen.
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Originally posted by basser basser wrote:

The NFL makes more than $9 billion a year. The NFL is not only a business; it is a very large business. "Taking the knee" has nothing to do with disrespect for the military. Colin Kaepernick and other NFL players are protesting oppression against black people. They are asserting their constitutional right to freedom of speech. Our military fights to defend our American freedom of speech. Like it or not, it's anyone's right as an American citizen.


I Agree! Our military fights for free speech for ALL US Citizens. And I personally SUPPORT their right to protest what THEY perceive to be "Black Oppression". However, I would RESPECT
them more if they would engage in more productive ways to help the Black communities. "Taking a knee", sitting out, or hiding in the tunnel does NOT stop black on black shootings, Police on Black shootings or poor education/graduation rates in Black communities.
Wouldn't it be better if these high-paid athletes would put their money (and time and effort) into actually helping those communities???
"Taking a knee" during the anthem just stirs up controversy and annimosity. Go out and ACTUALLY HELP (do something productive) for the people for whom you seek "social justice". Knock on my door, (as you look at my flag!) and ask me to join you in helping your community.




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Exactly a 3 minute protest on Sunday is doing nothing to help those they are fighting/standing up for.
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It may not be their intent to disrespect the military, or the flag, or our country, but to say refusing to stand during the national anthem, in front of our flag, in the presence of our military has nothing to do with disrespect is absurd. That's the reason for all the outrage. 

And everyone agrees the players have constitutional rights as citizens. Player apologists keep making that point when no one else is arguing it. There seems to be confusion over what a constitutional right is though. The First Amendment says Congress shall make no law against the freedom of speech; not that you can go around doing or saying whatever you want and expect no one else to have an opinion or reaction to it. It just means you won't go to jail. Furthermore, employees don't have a Constitutional right to free speech or freedom of expression at work! I'm not saying they should necessarily, but if any one of the involved NFL teams wanted to they could shut down these little protests immediately.
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It's called freedom..............and members of the military know that people have died for those freedoms..............You can't pick and choose what freedoms are ok and those that are not

Both my brother and I have served this great country............and we disagree on this issue........and were allowed to
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Free speech doesn't mean free of consequence. The NFL made this bed not DT.
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Originally posted by zapp2525 zapp2525 wrote:

Exactly a 3 minute protest on Sunday is doing nothing to help those they are fighting/standing up for.


Or....KNEELING for. I wish (notice, I said "wish") they WOULD stand----for the anthem and IN poor/oppressed communities.
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Originally posted by zapp2525 zapp2525 wrote:

It's called freedom..............and members of the military know that people have died for those freedoms..............You can't pick and choose what freedoms are ok and those that are not

Both my brother and I have served this great country............and we disagree on this issue........and were allowed to


Agree! " I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." ...Evelyn Beatrice Hall
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It may not be their intent to disrespect the military, or the flag, or our country, but to say refusing to stand during the national anthem, in front of our flag, in the presence of our military has nothing to do with disrespect is absurd. That's the reason for all the outrage. 


YES! They have the right to "express" themselves; I will defend that. But I need not approve or support their disrespect! Again.....go out and spend your obscene salaries, your time and energy to actually improve what you perceive as an injustice.
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DT and his twitter yapper made the matter much worse and last weekends actions were a direct result of it

His actions also have consequences 
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Also I hope all of you when in public when you hear the anthem you stop whatever you are doing and pay the proper respects your looking for..................like if your running late to your seat at a game........or at Kings Island walking around the park and so on
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