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    Posted: May 06 2015 at 11:04am


The threat, posted on anonymous message board JustPasteIt, singles out Geller, who helped plan a Prophet Muhammad cartoon contest that was attacked by two gunmen in Garland, Texas, over the weekend. ISIS claimed responsibility for the shooting early Tuesday, marking the first time the terror group called an American attack one of its own, though lawmakers believe the two men were influenced by the group, not guided directly by it.


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The ISIS terrorists tried to undermine our first amendment rights and were promptly shown the meaning of our second amendment rights. 

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W-e-l-l-l-l , I'm sorry but this was a bonehead event from the git-go and clearly designed to stir up trouble so I say buck up Pammy-you pretty much asked for it...
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Perhaps a bonehead event but it's a slippery slope when you start allowing one group to silence another's right to free speech.

The revolutionary war was predicated on many bonehead events as were many other events in our history.




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"You are Free To Choose-You Are NOT Free From The Consequences Of Your Choices."
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We're comparing the Boston Tea Party to a draw Muhammad event? Just wanting to clarify.
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So we're good with terrorists inside the United States threatening to murder our citizens over a provocative cartoon ?  Have I got that right?  



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Originally posted by dad0f3 dad0f3 wrote:

So we're good with terrorists inside the United States threatening to murder our citizens over a provocative cartoon ?  Have I got that right?  


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In Defense of Pamela Geller

A society that rejects the notion of a heckler’s veto cannot accept the idea of a murderer’s veto.


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Since when did the phrase “she was asking for it” gain respectability in the encyclopedia of American political correctness?

In 2011 Lara Logan was sexually assaulted in Cairo’s Tahrir Square, after which several bloggers chimed in that the CBS correspondent somehow had it coming to her because she’s blonde and pretty and the demonstrators were frenzied and male. Respectable opinion, conservative and liberal alike, rose up as one to denounce the appalling suggestion.

Fast forward to the May 3 terrorist attack on the Curtis Culwell Center in Garland, Texas, in which two jihadists attempted to shoot their way into a Muhammad cartoon contest organized by Pamela Geller and her organization, the American Freedom Defense Initiative. Since the attack, Ms. Geller has been denounced from Fox News to Comedy Central as a provocation artist who needlessly and knowingly put people’s lives in danger.

“This is problematic to me, because I wonder whether this group that held this event down there to basically disparage and make fun of the prophet Muhammad doesn’t in some way cause these events,” commented Chris Matthews. “Well, not the word ‘causing’—how about provoking, how about taunting, how about daring?”

Taunting. Daring. In other words, asking for it.

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Ms. Geller is hammering home the point, whether wittingly or not, that the free speech most worth defending is the speech we agree with least. That’s especially important when the enemies of free speech—in this case, Muslim fanatics—are invoking the pretext of moral injury to inflict bodily harm. A society that rejects the notion of a heckler’s veto cannot accept the idea of a murderer’s veto simply because the murderer is prepared to go to greater extremes to silence his opponents.
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We live in an era where people like the idea of rights, so long as there is no price to their practice. We want to speak truth to power—so long as “truth” is some shopworn cliché and “power” comes in the form of an institution that will never harm you. Perhaps it was always so. But from time to time we need people to remind us that free speech is not some shibboleth to be piously invoked, but a right that needs to be exercised if it is to survive as a right.
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Long time lurker, first time poster.  I couldn't hold back any longer after reading this and some recent events here.

Originally posted by John Beagle John Beagle wrote:

Ms. Geller is hammering home the point, whether wittingly or not, that the free speech most worth defending is the speech we agree with least.

Originally posted by John Beagle John Beagle wrote:

....from time to time we need people to remind us that free speech is not some shibboleth to be piously invoked, but a right that needs to be exercised if it is to survive as a right.



This is quite ironic coming from the man who just either banned or ran off nearly every poster whom has disagreed with him over the years. 

Actions always speak louder than words.  You may say that you value free speech sir but your actions say quite the opposite.



 



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I value free speech but when the speech is racist, or just plain hateful toward fellow posters then I have to draw the line.


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Your lines must get kinda' wiggly then-you don't see a contest to mock someone's religious beliefs as "hateful"??? Wow, way to perpetuate the "nose in the air Monroe" stereotype....
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Your original comments stemmed from a bunch of people holding an art contest to mock Muslims.  You don't see that as hateful?

I think calling the speech from those posters racist  or hateful is at best a stretch and at worst an outright lie from what I have read here over the years.  Certainly the art contest you defend is more based in hate in my opinion.

This place was much more fun and active 4 months ago than it is now.  I do not plan on being a regular contributor but like I said I could bite my tongue no longer after reading this post.  

So just to be clear you support a group mocking Muslims and do not consider that hateful at all?


** edit Clark beat me to it...good point Clark.  Clearly it's only hateful when it's directed at something you (JB) believe in and if it's not then it's a matter of exercising rights to free speech.  That math doesn't really add up to me





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Unless the Federal Government is funding this website, I'm not sure what the 1st Amendment has to do with anything.  This is his personal website and he can do whatever he wants when he wants, including banning people who make the experience miserable for him and most other posters.  

I don't know for sure, but I assume only one person was banned.  The rest are just boycotting?
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Let me  be clear.  I did not mean to imply that John doesn't have the right to ban anyone and everyone he pleases as the sites owner.  

All I was saying is that after he bans someone for the things they have said, and lets be honest the person in discussion was never racist at all or posting hate speech, then he can't pretend to be a big proponent of free speech and act disgusted in a situation like originally talked about in this thread.  The two do not add up.

In short if you are going to defend an event like this Muhammad art contest under the idea of "Free Speech" then you can't at the same time run people off your site for having ideas differently than your own.  I would suggest that many of you that still post on this website are a tad but over sensitive in that regard.  You can dish it but you just can't take it. 

Do you honestly believe Dadof3 that this event in Texas wasn't set up with hate towards Muslims?  You want to protect speech like this but not the speech you disagree with that is how I see it.





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Not only was it set up with hate towards Muslims, but it was deliberately set up as "bait" for some kind of Muslim reaction/attack.
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Short of John addressing the issue himself, all we can do is speculate.  My guess is he was banned because he was a complete and total jerk who was incapable of holding a civil discussion with anybody he disagreed with.  He made the site unenjoyable for a lot of people.  People get banned from forums all the time.  It's really not a big deal.  I don't see it as incongruous for a moderator to ban users from aprivate website and still strongly believe in the 1st Amendment.  And for the record, John doesn't "run off" everybody who disagrees with him.  He banned ONE person who has a history of being a complete tool.  There are plenty of people on here with worldviews polar opposite of my own, but I get along just fine with them.  Speaking for myself only, it's not a case of being able to "dish it out but can't take it" as you say.

To be clear, I'm not defending the event.  I didn't take a position on the event itself.  My point was, I find it disturbing that an American is more offended by the words and actions of Americans exercising their freedom of speech than the terrorists threatening to murder them for it right here on our own soil.  Americans should be furious that these monsters think they can threaten to murder our  citizens right here in our own country over a cartoon.  But......we're not. 

What I find equally sad is that no one seems to care about hate expressed towards Christians when "artists" dip crucifixes in urine or depict Christ as a very active gay man or invading church services and throwing condoms, and the list goes on and on....guess they need to start threatening to lop off heads too.   Maybe then Americans will view them more sympathetically...

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Originally posted by MElass MElass wrote:

Not only was it set up with hate towards Muslims, but it was deliberately set up as "bait" for some kind of Muslim reaction/attack.

MEL, the hate part is pure speculation.  The real question is do we want people in our country who have no concept of our Constitution and couldn't care less about freedom?  I don't.  I do not want anyone of any stripe living in this country who thinks it's OK to kill somebody for what they say or believe.  I've heard plenty of ugly stuff said about Christianity, and as hateful and angry as it makes me, I don't want anyone killed for it.  Whatever Pam Geller's motivations were, she is not my enemy here. 

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Nor is she mine. And I agree that in our great country she had every"right" to plan and host the event. However, I also think she is an intelligent woman who (IMO) knew full well what the results would/could be.
I am fully aware that other religions have been mocked, vilified and belittled ("Book of Mormon" play is another example,but there are many). And, yes, although we are offended and don't like it, we allow it by law. Pam Geller knew full well that that is not the Muslim "way". Further, I think she wanted to poke a thumb in their eye and actually wanted to provoke a reaction....again, my opinion.
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Originally posted by dad0f3 dad0f3 wrote:

Short of John addressing the issue himself, all we can do is speculate.  My guess is he was banned because he was a complete and total jerk who was incapable of holding a civil discussion with anybody he disagreed with.  He made the site unenjoyable for a lot of people.  People get banned from forums all the time.  It's really not a big deal.  I don't see it as incongruous for a moderator to ban users from aprivate website and still strongly believe in the 1st Amendment.  And for the record, John doesn't "run off" everybody who disagrees with him.  He banned ONE person who has a history of being a complete tool.  There are plenty of people on here with worldviews polar opposite of my own, but I get along just fine with them.  Speaking for myself only, it's not a case of being able to "dish it out but can't take it" as you say..


As far someone being a jerk that's your opinion and quite frankly also the same name calling I've seen people complain about in the past from the opposite side.  To take shots at someone who can't defend themselves is not something I expected from you but what do I know.   I am quite sure there are many others here who did not feel the same way.  Almost all of the conversations I ever read were civil.  I again point to being able to dish but not take it.  Unless you were the one pressing the ban button then I am not talking to you with that comment.  At any point anyone here can choose to ignore another posters.  If these posters or this poster were so offensive then why not use that feature?
 
We will have to agree to disagree on this one.  ( I really do hate that phrase)

Again I am not saying that John doesn't have the right to do whatever he wants on his own personal site just that what he has done is hugely hypocritical as he rises to fight for free speech in texas..  You will notice that even though these people were banned or left months ago I never said anything until now here in this thread when the ludicrous defending of this event came about.

This event in Texas was absolutely based in hate towards Muslims.  To say that is only speculation is to say that it's speculation the sky is blue.   I'm not saying that people should be killed for expressing themselves but I also believe that holding an event for no reason other than to publicly mock someone's religious belief or any belief for that matter is hateful.

In short if you are going to poke a bear with a stick don't be surprised when it tries to maul you.  The bear is not 100% responsible; you asked for it.

As far as not "running people off"  the current population here really speaks to the opposite of that.  John may have not intended to run people off but clearly he did just that.  I for one enjoyed reading this website when there were a variety of opinions being discussed and not just one boring point of view but I guess the powers that be don't agree with me.

I've said my piece.  I have no interest in getting into a message board war over this nor do I intend to become and active member of this one sided community. This just needed to be said because the hypocrisy was THICK in this thread.

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Originally posted by MElass MElass wrote:

Not only was it set up with hate towards Muslims, but it was deliberately set up as "bait" for some kind of Muslim reaction/attack.

Exactly; don't think for a second they weren't happy when this went down.  It was exactly what they set out looking for.
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