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    Posted: Dec 17 2012 at 4:48pm
The Los Angeles' police chief said he plans to step up patrol of the city's elementary and middle schools by assigning officers to visit them at least once a day.

Charlie Beck said at a speech Sunday that he wants to start the program when students in the nation's second-largest school district return from winter break. Beck told KCAL-TV that the Los Angeles School Police department is stretched thin meeting the needs of high schools across the city. So he wants all LAPD officers to visit an elementary or middle school at least once a day. Source
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County Police Chief Recommends Arming School Personnel


ST. LOUIS COUNTY (KMOX) - St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch says it is time to talk about arming civilian school personnel following Friday’s massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, comparing it to arming airline pilots after September 11, 2001.

“I see it no differently,” he said. “Pilots have been armed now for many many years, we’ve not had another hijacking and the issue is, for the bad guy, he doesn’t know which airplane he’s getting on, if the pilot is armed or not.”

Fitch said the killing will not be stopped by legislation or laws. “If there’s somebody that’s really hellbent on doing something like this, they’re not going to care what the law is.” Continued



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Police increase school patrols in Greenville

GREENVILLE, N.C. - All the recent gun violence across the nation, understandably, has some parents across the east worried about the safety of their children.

Monday morning, in Greenville, when kids returned to school, they saw more police officers around. source

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Butler sheriff increases school patrols

Butler County deputies will be making more swings through school parking lots during school hours in light of the school shooting last week in Newtown, Conn.

Sheriff Richard K. Jones said all deputies are being told to substantially increase their visibility at schools in their patrol districts. Two additional cruisers are being deployed to help in the effort. source

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Arming teachers worked for Israel and Thailand


Israel and Thailand are countries where the threat of a school shooting is the highest. Sunni Jihadists have targeted young children for murder in these nations.

Unlike Obama, Micheal Moore, and others who demand that potential victims be further disarmed, Israel and Thailand responding by giving potential victims more guns.

School teachers in Israel and Thailand now carry concealed handguns on the job. In areas where the threat is the greatest, teachers have been given free guns.

These programs have been a phenomenal success and saved scores, if not hundreds of lives. In May of 2002 alone, Sunni Jihadists were repelled at two Israeli schools before any innocent people were killed. An Israeli teacher shot a killed a suicide bomber before he could detonate his bomb. A second Jihadist at another school fled when confronted with armed teachers.

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Armed teachers? That solution has pros and cons

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By Dale Singer, Beacon staff

4:05 pm on Mon, 12.17.12

When Tim Fitch, the chief of the St. Louis County police department, talks about arming teachers and other school personnel, he is concentrating on the critical minutes between the time a determined shooter bursts into a school and the time that trained law enforcement personnel can arrive.

When Paul Fennewald hears suggestions that arming teachers and other school personnel can help deal with or even prevent tragedies like last week’s deaths of students and adults in Connecticut, he wants to make sure everyone involved takes a step back to realize all of the implications.

Fennewald – who spent 23 years as an FBI agent and six years as director of homeland security for Missouri – now is with the Missouri Center for Education Safety, a joint project of the Missouri School Boards Association and the Missouri Department of Public Safety.

Having armed employees in a school isn’t necessarily bad, he told the Beacon. But if weapons are securely stored to keep them out of the hands of curious students, they may not be able to have much effect in situations such as the one that struck Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., on Friday.

“If you’re going to have it totally locked up,” he said of a teacher’s weapon, “how quickly could you get it? Unless you have it on your person, ready to use at a moment’s notice, how much difference would you make?” continued

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What about using non-lethal weapons such as tazers? That way if the kids would get into them somehow the lethality issue in minuscule.
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The SRO duties should be as a law enforcement officer, law-related counselor and a law-related educator. I would think he should be in full uniform with his gun and taser.

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You know, half these unruly kids just need a good finger in their chest. I think this city has just the person to do that, just ask the City Manager! He was put in his place when he got out of line. Go get em'!
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Have every coach and principal carry a gun. After they get their CCW they can get their CDL and drive the school buses.Wink
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This is an interesting read.

http://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/2058168-Lt-Col-Dave-Grossman-to-cops-The-enemy-is-denial/
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Originally posted by MFD50 MFD50 wrote:

What about using non-lethal weapons such as tazers? That way if the kids would get into them somehow the lethality issue in minuscule.

You never want to be the one briging a tazer to a gun fight.

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I understand but it may be better than arming our teachers with guns. At least they would have something that may stop an armed person.
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I don't think arming teachers is the solution at all.


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Arming teachers is a horrible idea.
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Jesus, is the only solution we can think of is just adding more guns to the equation? Look, I'm not in favor of taking everyone's guns away, but my god, let's not increase the number of guns in a school classroom. 
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At my school, we had Otis, and no one messed with Otis.  You walked in to the school (main entrance was only available after the 1st bell rang) and there he stood, fully armed, in uniform, and with one look, you knew you didn't want to end up on his bad side.  Once you got to know him, he was a huge teddy bear and would talk with all the students.  That's who I'd want in my schools....an armed police officer or retired police officer that helped deter someone from coming in the front door to do harm.
 
I agree, arming teachers not the solution.  You want someone who has a gun strapped to their belt that would level you in a second if you tried to reach for it.  Someone trained to use it.  Not a teacher that might would leave it in a desk that could be found by someone else. 
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Originally posted by Matt_Steele Matt_Steele wrote:

Jesus, is the only solution we can think of is just adding more guns to the equation? Look, I'm not in favor of taking everyone's guns away, but my god, let's not increase the number of guns in a school classroom. 
 
Jesus and my God would be a good start to fix the problem.SmileClap I took a gun and a knife to school (knife everyday) while in grade school and jr high, and so did others, and no one every got stabbed or shot. I know, I'm an old foggie. But the new way is probably better, or at least that's what I'm told.Unhappy


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Originally posted by shar1177 shar1177 wrote:

At my school, we had Otis, and no one messed with Otis.  You walked in to the school (main entrance was only available after the 1st bell rang) and there he stood, fully armed, in uniform, and with one look, you knew you didn't want to end up on his bad side.  Once you got to know him, he was a huge teddy bear and would talk with all the students.  That's who I'd want in my schools....an armed police officer or retired police officer that helped deter someone from coming in the front door to do harm.
 
I agree, arming teachers not the solution.  You want someone who has a gun strapped to their belt that would level you in a second if you tried to reach for it.  Someone trained to use it.  Not a teacher that might would leave it in a desk that could be found by someone else. 
 
 
Good ol Otis.  Bring him a donut or some Arby's and you were golden!
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Arming teachers and/or administrators is certainly not the answer.  HOWEVER, if we take away the option of those that are legally permitted to carry a concealed weapon, we are sending a message out that there is no law abiding person on the premesis that can be a deterant.  The whole "gun free zone" is mind boggling. 
 
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I was just talking about Otis today at work! Trying to explain that when I was in school, he was one man against ~2000 students, but somehow it worked. He was friendly enough with students that he was able to 'talk them down' from fights quite often.
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The great white elephant in America's living room. No one will admit that mental illness. A stigma that society refuses to take head on. Causes ALL multiple traumatic violent killings. Nothing will ever change until this is at least acknowledge as the root of the problem.
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