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In wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School incident, Attorney General Mike DeWine plans to have an active shooter training course available to teachers. DeWine said “The reality is that, with an active shooter, first responders many times do not get there until someone is killed, you know the people who are going to have to deal with it one way or another are teachers. We want, for those teachers who want that information, to give them that information.” Read more here.



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I think this is the only reasonable solution. 
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I have no problem with people being trained or have SRO's in a school. I do, however, have a major problem with arming teachers. There are very very few problems in the world that can be solved by adding more guns.

Regardless, I have no problems with giving people more information and I hope any training that occurs also consists of extensive training on how to handle situations that might occur. I'm also glad that DeWine is going after the schools that haven't filed a safety plan.
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The police took 20 minutes to respond. That's not a criticism, it's a fact. In an emergency, you're on your own so you better have a plan.
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Originally posted by Dannyboy Dannyboy wrote:

The police took 20 minutes to respond. That's not a criticism, it's a fact. In an emergency, you're on your own so you better have a plan.
 
Absolutely, 20 minutes would equal a lifetime in those conditions.  Also, these crazies that do these things plan them out in a methodical manner often. (that's when I question are they crazy or evil) Not to try and frighten the SRO, he would probably be the  deterrent alone that would cause them to divert to a softer target, but the deranged planner would try and take out the SRO first thing. That is why I believe you need multiple trained personnel on site.


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I do not think we should arm the teachers with guns either. That is why in the other post I offered Tazers as a non-lethal alternative. And the response time is why there should be a SRO at each school.
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People don't kill people, guns do. Recently a man killed his 7 year old son by mishandling a 9mm. When you put guns in the classroom, this will eventually happen there. The suggestion to arm teachers makes me embarrased for all of you that support that idea. They're talking gun control in Washington DC but we all know that will go nowhere. True gun control cannot come from the top down. It will have to grow from the grassroots up. I beleive there is 80% of the US population that would support really strong and restrictive gun laws. I'm one of them

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Originally posted by Matt_Steele Matt_Steele wrote:

I have no problem with people being trained or have SRO's in a school. I do, however, have a major problem with arming teachers. There are very very few problems in the world that can be solved by adding more guns.

Regardless, I have no problems with giving people more information and I hope any training that occurs also consists of extensive training on how to handle situations that might occur. I'm also glad that DeWine is going after the schools that haven't filed a safety plan.
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If that courageous Principal at Sandy Hook School who charged the gunman and sadly lost her life had a firearm (and training to use it) perhaps she and many of her students would be alive today.  
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People don't kill people, guns do. Recently a man killed his 7 year old son by mishandling a 9mm. When you put guns in the classroom, this will eventually happen there. The suggestion to arm teachers makes me embarrased for all of you that support that idea. They're talking gun control in Washington DC but we all know that will go nowhere. True gun control cannot come from the top down. It will have to grow from the grassroots up. I beleive there is 80% of the US population that would support really strong and restrictive gun laws. I'm one of them

[/ I think the vast majority of people "care about the slaughter of innocents", the debate is WHAT CAN BE DONE TO PREVENT these incidents from happening. You don't have to go to Australia to see that a ban on firearms doesn't work. During the years in which the D.C. handgun ban and trigger lock law was in effect, the Washington, D.C. murder rate averaged 73% higher than it was at the outset of the law, while the U.S. murder rate averaged 11% lower. Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect. Since the outset of the Florida right-to-carry law, the Florida murder rate has averaged 36% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 15% lower. Despite evermore stringent gun laws passed in Great Britain the homicide rate in England and Wales has averaged 52% higher since the outset of the 1968 gun control law and 15% higher since the outset of the 1997 handgun ban. I personally am totally OK with a ban on assault weapons - no one should need the ability to fire such a huge quantity of bullets in a very short time. However, we must address the issue regarding the mental stability of ALL of these mass murderers. I worked at a couple of state mental hospitals and I know that the US laws regarding the "confinement" of severely mentally ill persons have been VERY relaxed in the past 40 years.QUOTE] < id="pluginobj" ="application/x-vnd-actl-tl" style="width: 1px; height: 1px; visibility: ;">
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Additional guns inside schools are not the solution.

I don't know the solution, but I am pretty confident in this.




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paman,
 
Just trying to understand how you came to this conclusion about guns doing the killing and not the person.
 
If the father of the seven year didn't improperly handle the gun it would not have killed his son.
 
The GUNS did not walk into the school and kill those kids. An evil person did.
 
If you drop a loaded gun yes there is the chance of it going off.
 
How many  times have you ever heard of the gun just going off and killing while sitting in a holster or safe? How many guns have on their own gone into a building and killed people? It takes a HUMAN to cause the weapon to go off!!
 
PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE. PEOPLE PULL THE TRIGGER TO FIRE THE GUN.
 
I agree nobody needs 30 round clips other than law enforcement and military.
 
This is just my opinion.
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It's good to see the Attorney General taking a leadership role.
 
The thought that a SRO alone will handle all situations is nieve. Blueblood is correct that a shooter with a plan will take out the SRO first if possible. Then, the school is all his/hers.
 
I would think that teachers would want the CHOICE of being armed and trained to protect themselves (they have families too) and their students. Providing multiple layers of protection (if the SRO can't stop the shooter(s)) seems to provide the best answer to this issue.
 
But the politics will probably get in the way. The local bureaucrats will say it's the City's job to provide protection. The teahers union will probably say that teachers aren't paid to protect the kids. Or they'll both continue to say there just isn't any money. All that BS has and will stand in the way. Hopefully, the Attorney General can break some of the barriers and get some alternative type of solutions in place sooner rather than later.
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Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:


 
The GUNS did not walk into the school and kill those kids. An evil person did.
 
If you drop a loaded gun yes there is the chance of it going off.
 

fair enough

but you can't eliminate evil people from the world.

You can make it much more difficult for them to access weapons where they can do evil things.  If this young man didn't have access (they weren't even locked) to the guns and the training from his mother perhaps he wouldn't have been capable of such things.  I mean she was a doomsday prepper; that alone should set off sirens.

the tricky part is where you draw the line.  if you need meds to deal with life mentally does that mean you are so unstable that you can't have access to guns?  I'm not saying yes or no; it's a tricky question.


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Sadly, this isn't the world that our parents grew up in.  Heck, it isn't even remotely close to the world that I grew up in.  I wish, with all of my heart, that these types of discussions weren't necessary.  But, the sad fact of the matter is, there are some crazy people out there, and they are going to to do horrible things to other people--with or without a gun.
 
Just so there is no misunderstanding, I am completely in favor of our teachers/school administrators being trained to use deadly force to protect our children.  I have said it many times--if these cowards KNEW that our schools were ready, at a moment's notice, to defend themselves (instead of being sitting ducks), I can guarantee you that most of them would never step foot on the property.  Evil, horrible people, and people who are not properly educated to handle a gun, are the ones who kill people.  Guns are tools.  A gun only becomes a "problem" when someone decides to use one for the wrong reason.
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Who's saying to ban all guns? 

And I question some of those statistics about gun control that elgspfkcmon cited


It's starting to feel like a vigilante culture is growing, very sad
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I find it amusing that a month ago, these same teachers were being portrayed as people who should have their pay cut because they were not worth what they make and now they are to be given guns and asked to take a bullet if need be to protect kids.

Our Governor, cuts the guts out of government and school budgets and the Attorney General wants to create more plans for both of them to fund.
 
We already have police funded and trained, why not just use them?  Why not just restore SRO funding at the state level? Knee jerk reactions will cost more lives than they could save.
 
Want to save people, put trained police (SRO'S) in the buildings with orders to drop visibly armed intruders with a shot to the head.  It's not PC, but it would be effective.
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There are people at the school almost from 6am to 10pm,you cant have security there all the time.
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what if butler county hired 2 plainclothes policemen who would randomly patrol different schools leaving any potential gunman uncertain as to wether there is police there,like skymarshals on airplanes



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Teachers performance and this security issue are two complete seperate issues
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Originally posted by JOKER JOKER wrote:

Teachers performance and this security issue are two complete seperate issues
So a teacher that can't adequately convey that 2+2=5 with 25% interest will absolutely drop the hammer on an intruder with a gun?
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There is absolutely no way on God's green Earth that I would EVER support giving teachers loaded weapons in schools. That's utterly insane. 

We have a police force that are trained for this type of thing. FUND it. Geesh.
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Originally posted by Bob Kelley Bob Kelley wrote:

I find it amusing that a month ago, these same teachers were being portrayed as people who should have their pay cut because they were not worth what they make and now they are to be given guns and asked to take a bullet if need be to protect kids.

Our Governor, cuts the guts out of government and school budgets and the Attorney General wants to create more plans for both of them to fund.
 
We already have police funded and trained, why not just use them?  Why not just restore SRO funding at the state level? Knee jerk reactions will cost more lives than they could save.
 
Want to save people, put trained police (SRO'S) in the buildings with orders to drop visibly armed intruders with a shot to the head.  It's not PC, but it would be effective.
 
 
I don't think ANY teacher should be forced to receive this type of training.  I just happen to think that all faculty should have that option, if they so choose.  It has become painfully clear that our schools, and our children, are being (and will continue to be) targeted more and more frequently.  Why shouldn't they have the right to protect themselves?
 
Don't get me wrong--I am NOT "pro gun".  However, I would not hesitate to use one to preserve my life, or the life of someone I love.  Since our schools assume the position of en loco parentis, I would expect no less from any staff member.
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Originally posted by Matt_Steele Matt_Steele wrote:

Who's saying to ban all guns? 

And I question some of those statistics about gun control that elgspfkcmon cited


It's starting to feel like a vigilante culture is growing, very sad

guns sales and back ground checks were up this past weekend


that tells you all you need to know.
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