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THE LIST: UNNECESSARILY SHUT DOWN BY OBAMA TO INFLICT PUBLIC PAIN


Below is a list of illogical, unnecessary, and shockingly spiteful moves our government is making in the name of essential and non-essential.

This list will be regularly updated, and if you have something you feel should be added, please email me at jnolte@breitbart.com or tweet me @NolteNC.Please include a link to the news source.

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1. Treatments for Children Suffering From Cancer - The GOP have agreed to a compromise by funding part of the government, including the National Institutes of Health, which offers children with cancer last-chance experimental treatment. Obama has threatened to veto this funding.

2. The World War II Memorial - The WWII memorial on the DC Mall is a 24/7 open-air memorial that is not regularly staffed. Although the White House must have known that WWII veterans in their eighties and nineties had already booked flights to visit this memorial, the White House still found the resources to spitefully barricade the attraction. 

The Republican National Committee has offered to cover any costs required to keep the memorial open. The White House refused. Moreover, like the NIH, the GOP will pass a compromise bill that would fund America's national parks. Obama has threatened to veto that bill.

3. Furloughed Military Chaplains Not Allowed to Work for Free - Furloughed military chaplains willing to celebrate Mass and baptisms for free have been told they will be punished for doing so.

4. Business Stops In Florida Keys - Although the GOP have agreed to compromise in the ongoing budget stalemate and fund the parks, Obama has threatened to veto that funding. As a result, small businesses, hunters, and commercial fisherman can't practice their trade. While the feds have deemed the personnel necessary to keep this area open "non-essential," the "enforcement officers" to ensure no business is done are "essential."

5. Obama Blacks Out Sports, Entertainment Programming to Overseas Troops- The American Forces Network (AFN) that provides American sports and entertainment programming to our troops stationed abroad, has been shut down. For some reason, though, AFN News will still broadcast news, just not any of the popular and fun stuff.

Camp David is essential, but popular programming for heroes overseas is non-essential.

6. Obama Closes D-Day Memorial - The GOP have offered to compromise and fund the National Parks. Obama has said he will veto this compromise legislation. As a result, along with 24 other military cemeteries, the D-Day memorial in Normandy has been barricaded.

7. Obama Tries to Close Privately-Funded Mt. Vernon - Although George Washington's Mt. Vernon estate is privately funded, the feds blocked visitors from entering the parking area because the Park Service maintains the lot. Apparently, the New Media publicity resulted in the feds backing down.

8. Obama Closes Over 100 Privately-Managed Parks That Cost No Money to Run -  The U.S. Treasury actually makes money from the rent paid by a private company that "employs about 400-500 camp workers and managers across about a dozen states." No federal money is used to operate these parks. No federal employees are used to staff these parks. Taxpayers make a profit from these parks. Still, Obama had them closed and as a result 400-500 employees and a private business are taking it in the neck.

9. Obama Closes Self-Sustaining Colonial Farm It Hasn’t Supported Since 1980 - "For the first time in 40 years, the National Park Service (NPS) has finally succeeded in closing the Farm down to the public. In previous budget dramas, the Farm has always been exempted since the NPS provides no staff or resources to operate the Farm.”

10. Obama Tries to Close State-Run Parks in Wisconsin - "The park service ordered state officials to close the northern unit of the Kettle Moraine, Devil's Lake, and Interstate state parks and the state-owned portion of the Horicon Marsh, but state authorities rebuffed the request because the lion's share of the funding came from state, not federal coffers."

11. Obama Closes Vietnam Memorial - The GOP have passed compromise legislation that would fund national memorials and parks, and open them to the public. Obama threatened a veto. Apparently, the "essential" government employees are those erecting barricades, not those who could keep the memorial open.

12. Obama Closes Privately-Owned Hotel, Police Block Parking Lot - "The operator of a 51-room inn located on U.S. government-owned land in North Carolina abandoned his defiant stance on Thursday to keep the property open despite being ordered to close as part of the federal government shutdown."

October is this inn's prime season. The GOP have offered compromise funding opening the parks. Obama said he will veto that compromise.

State troopers blocked customers from entering the inn's parking lot.

13. Park Service Ranger: 'We've Been Told to Make Life As Difficult For People As We Can' - “It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

14. Obama Forces Residents Out of Private Homes - "The government shutdown is being felt close to home for some locals. They say they're being forced out of private homes on Lake Mead because they sit on federal land."

The GOP have agreed to fund the parks. Obama has threatened a veto.

15. Acadia Park In Maine Shut Down - '"We’ve been training for two years at CrossFit for this hike — no kidding,” Hart said. She added that the shutdown should be as inconvenient for the Washington politicians who caused it as it is for average citizens.'

The GOP have agreed to fund the parks. Obama said he will veto.

16. Historic Restaurant Open During Last Shutdown Forced to Close - "An iconic Philadelphia restaurant has been forced to close its doors and turn away booked parties because of the government shutdown. …

"Restaurant public relations director Molly Yun said they were notified there was a possibility a closure might happen, but they were allowed to remain open during the last government shutdown 17 years ago."

The restaurant is part of the federal park system, which the GOP have agreed to fund. Obama said he will veto the funding.

17. Obama Shuts Down a Road Tha Goes Through CO Park: "The Forest Service announcement, in turn, led the Pitkin County commissioners to order that Maroon Creek Road be shut down at the height of the colorful leaf-changing season. Ahead of what is to be one of the busiest weekends of the fall, the road is to be closed to vehicles at T-Lazy-7 Ranch, pending a resolution to the government shutdown."

The GOP have agreed to fund the parks. Obama said he will veto that compromise funding.

18. Residents Plan Protest of Cape Hatteras Closing - "Businesses and residents on the Outer Banks have planned a peaceful protest of the closure of Hatteras Island's beaches due to the government shut down.

"The U.S. House Wednesday passed a measure to reopen national parks and monuments. It will now go to the U.S. Senate."

In the unlikely event the Democrat Senate passes the bill, Obama has threatened a veto of any compromise legislation opening the parks.

19. Obama Blocks People From LOOKING at Mt. Rushmore - "Blocking access to trails and programs at South Dakota’s most popular attraction was one thing, but state officials didn’t expect Congress’ budget stalemate to shut down a view of Mount Rushmore.

"The National Park Service placed cones along highway viewing areas outside Mount Rushmore this week, barring visitors from pulling over and taking pictures of the famed monument.

The cones first went up Oct. 1, said Dusty Johnson, Gov. Dennis Daugaard’s chief of staff. The state asked that they be taken down, and federal officials did so with some of them. The state was told the cones were a safety precaution to help channel cars into viewing areas rather than to bar their entrance."

20. Crucial USDA Websites Taken Down - "The U.S. Department of Agriculture has turned off its entire website in response to the government shutdown, leaving farmers, reporters and others with no way to access any of the agency's information online. …

"USDA's total website shutdown goes far beyond the response of other federal agencies, and seems to be part of an effort to make people feel the effects of the shutdown. Thursday morning calls to USDA's press office seeking an explanation were not answered."

This website is down and yet the ObamaCare and White House websites are up.

21. St. Louis Gateway Arch Closed - The GOP have agreed to compromise legislation funding the parks. Obama has threatened a veto.

22. Park Shutdown Bounces Rowers from Potomac - "The ripple effect of a government shutdown has pushed rowers from the Potomac River.

"Multiple high schools rent space at the Thompson Boat Center in Georgetown. But like other places controlled by the National Park Service, it closed Tuesday morning."

The GOP have agreed to compromise funding opening the parks. Obama has threatened a veto.

23. Thompson Boat Center Closed In DC - The GOP have agreed to fund the parks. Obama said he will veto.

24. Obama Closes Military Commissary - "Military members, veterans and families who shop at local tax-free store are shocked to discover the store's doors locked; no progress to end stalemate in Washington."

While the government has deemed the White House chefs "essential," working class military personnel have lost their tax-free store privileges.

Military personnel and their families tell me that they have never lost these privileges in previous shutdowns. 

25. Arizona Offers to Fund Grand Canyon, Obama Says 'Drop Dead' - "Obama has ordered the Grand Canyon to stay closed, even after the state of Arizona and local businesses have offered to cover the costs necessary to keep it open. In other words, the shutdown isn’t about the money — it’s about hurting the American people just because he can."

26. Amber Alert Website Taken Offline - CNN reported that bad press was a factor in the site going back up.

Why would White House chefs and Obama's golf course be categorized as "essential," while the government classified as "non-essential" the Amber Alert website?

Of course, this is the same Obama threatening to veto cancer treatments for children.

27. Miramar Air Show Canceled With One-Day Notice -“The emotional and economic impacts of losing this year’s event are great, and I’m extremely disappointed in the political dysfunction that brought us to this point,” Gloria said.

"Proceeds from the event go to programs that support families of military personnel, he said."

28. At Start of Peak Season, Shutdown Closes Peaks of Otter Lodge - "Although the Blue Ridge Parkway remains open to travelers, the Peaks of Otter Lodge cannot stay open while the National Park Service is not operating during to the government shutdown. With no Congressional compromise reached by the end of the day Monday, the lodge’s restaurant shut down and guests were given 48 hours to find somewhere else to stay."

The GOP have agreed to compromise and fund the parks. Obama has threatened a veto. 

29. Federal Prison Guards Not Getting Paid, Inmates Are - "Most of the employees at the federal prison in Forrest City are working without knowing when they will get a paycheck because of the government shutdown, but some of the inmates who get paid for the work they do inside will have no problem collecting their money."

30. Family that Paid $2,000 for Permit Not Allowed to Raft "Sorry for the inconvenience," it read.

That's when rangers told them they wouldn't be able to put in on the river the next day, despite having paid $2,000 for a permit to do so.

The news was shattering, Scott Lee said.

The GOP have agreed to fund the parks. Obama has threatened a veto.

31. Although Privately Funded, Historic Ford's Theater Closed - "Ford's Theatre, which is a private non-profit 501(c)(3) organization, does not use any federal funding or federal employees for its performances. During previous government shutdowns, the theatre has continued performances."

32. King Crab Season Threatened by Government Shutdown - "The Alaska king crab season is set to start soon, but all the fishing boats will have to stay docked because the government must sign off on permits and quotas. 

"Fisherman stand to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars unless lawmakers make a compromise."

Obama's golf course is open. So is the website for Michelle Obama's "Let's Move."

33. Children Might Lose School Lunches - "Minnesotans are adjusting to the partial government shutdown, but if it lingers too long, there is a chance the 300,000 kids who rely on free or reduced lunches at school could go hungry."

The White House chefs have not been furloughed.

34. Feds Shut Down Major Roadway, Puts Children's Lives at Risk - "Nearly a third of Blount County is inside the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. So when the federal government shut down the park, it also shut down one of the area’s chief sources of revenue.

"The children live in the eastern Tennessee community of Top of the World – serviced by School Bus 49. Normally, the bus travels along the Foothills Parkway. Other roads leading to the isolated mountain community are impassible by bus.

"“It’s dangerous,” said Nancy Kemp, the spokesperson for Blount County Schools.”It’s very curvy and straight up the mountain. It’s just not a safe route.”"

The GOP have offered compromise legislation funding the parks. Obama has threatened a veto. 

35. Road to Brasstown Bald Closed During Peak Season - "It's not unusual for the road to the top of Brasstown Bald, the highest point in Georgia, to be closed in the winter months but in early October, with "leaf-looking" season just around the corner?

"The Georgia Department of Transporation (GDOT) announced Monday, though, that it is, in fact, closed. Why? At the request of the U.S. Forest Service and because of the government shutdown. The forest service operates the facilities on top of the mountain as well as the visitors center at its base."

The GOP have offered compromise legislation to open the parks. Obama has threatened a veto.

36. Columbia Island and Washington Sailing Marina Closed - Email from reader: "My husband received an email from WSM saying that boat owners could only go to their boats to remove items. If they leave the slip with their boat they are not allowed to return to their (paid for) slip the government re opens."

37. IRS Collections Operational, Taxpayer Advocate Office Closed - Per an email from reader.

38. Eleven Hundred Square Miles of Florida Ocean Closed - Email: "You omitted the ban on Florida charter boat captains taking fishermen into an 1,100 square mile section of ocean of the coast of Tampa. Apparently, government resources patrol it."

39. Iwo Jima Memorial Closed, Barricades Erected - "Another open-air memorial in the Washington area is closed and barricaded off: the Iwo Jima Memorial, just across the bridge from D.C. in Rosslyn, Virginia. A source sends along this picture of the barricade set-up at the memorial, which is also called the U.S. Marine Corps War Memorial."

40. Police Remove Vietnam War Veterans at Memorial Wall - "Via William Jacobson, NBC's affiliate in Washington, D.C. reports that police ordered tourists and Vietnam war veterans who were visiting the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall to leave the memorial at one point on Friday."

41. Shutdown Denies Death Benefits to Families of Fallen Soldiers - "The families of five U.S. service members who were killed over the weekend in Afghanistan have been notified that they won't be receiving the $100,000 benefit normally wired to relatives within 36 hours of the death. The “death gratuity” is intended to help cover funeral costs and help with immediate living expenses until survivor benefits typically begin."

42. Priests Risk Arrest for Offering Sacraments to Catholic Troops During Shutdown - "Some Catholic priests under contract or GS (general schedule) to the military are not allowed to offer the Catholic sacraments--including saying Mass, consecrating marriages, or performing baptisms--on military property during the government shutdown, and if they do, even on a volunteer basis, they risk being arrested, according to the general counsel for the Archdiocese for the Military Services, USA."

Meanwhile, the White House chefs, Obama's golf course, and the First Lady's "Let's Move" program remain essential.

43.  Priest: Obama Admin. Denied Mass to Catholics - "Apparently, a priest was denied access to a military chapel this weekend. Father Ray Leonard serves at Naval Submarine Base Kings Bay in Georgia but because of the government shutdown, he wasn’t allowed to go to celebrate Mass this past weekend.

"He is contracted by the Defense Department to meet the spiritual needs of Catholics, but not now. The chapel doors were locked and the sign said, “Shutdown: No Catholic service till further notice.”"

44. Yellowstone: Tourists Locked In Hotel Under Armed Guard Thought They Were Under Arrest -  "Vaillancourt was one of thousands of people who found themselves in a national park as the federal government shutdown went into effect on Oct. 1. For many hours her tour group, which included senior citizen visitors from Japan, Australia, Canada and the United States, were locked in a Yellowstone National Park hotel under armed guard."

45. Man Jogging in National Park Fined $100 - "A Pennsylvania man who went jogging in a national historic park was slapped with a $100 fine because the area was closed due to Washington’s budget impasse, he said Tuesday."

46. Private Restaurant Owners Defy Govt. Shutdown Order, Fed Drop Hammer - "After a two-day return, the Cliff House will be forced to close again on Wednesday, and according to the restaurant, will remain closed for the duration of the shutdown."

47. NIH Stops Therapy Dogs from Visiting Sick Children - "It should be noted that on the list of the top 1000 salaries in the federal government in 2011, 23 of the top 28 were officials at the National Institutes of Health; all made over $290,000 per year."

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Meet the Socialist brain.
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Lotsa spin err doctor!
 
 
Obama didn't shut down the gov...congress did. Plain and simple.
 
Congress, specifically teaparty baffoonery, shut down the goverment (as was their goal) over a law that was passed in both houses, signed into law, and upheld by the supreme freakin' court. Get over it, and move the heck on.
 
Spin it all you want, Obama and the Dems already negotiated: No single payer, no cap and trade...the list goes on and on....
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Originally posted by jrock1203 jrock1203 wrote:

Lotsa spin err doctor!
 
 
Obama didn't shut down the gov...congress did. Plain and simple.
 
Congress, specifically teaparty baffoonery, shut down the goverment (as was their goal) over a law that was passed in both houses, signed into law, and upheld by the supreme freakin' court. Get over it, and move the heck on.
 
Spin it all you want, Obama and the Dems already negotiated: No single payer, no cap and trade...the list goes on and on....
You are right signed into law that was never understood or read
 
it is the whole dam governments fault for the shut down all parties not just one it takes two to tango as it goes!
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Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:

 
it is the whole dam governments fault for the shut down all parties not just one it takes two to tango as it goes!


and yet you post an article pinning it ALL on ONE man.

So which is it???

Personally I blame smart phones.

If we all weren't so distracted by our phones maybe we would do something.


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I stated to a postman yesterday that I was surprised they were still delivering mail. He stated "We are not funded by taxes. But if he can find a way to use us against the lockout he probably will!"
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Originally posted by cmsquare cmsquare wrote:

Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:

 
it is the whole dam governments fault for the shut down all parties not just one it takes two to tango as it goes!


and yet you post an article pinning it ALL on ONE man.

So which is it???

Personally I blame smart phones.

If we all weren't so distracted by our phones maybe we would do something.


Where is that article I posted?
 
I know you will say "if you can't remember then......"
 
When the fact is I never posted an article and if I did plesae refresh my memory as you have done so many time before.
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Only Congress can fund the government according to the Constitution and various appropriation laws. If Congress chooses not to, then the President can't order it to stay funded. Obama also doesn't get to decide what will stay open and what will not. 

How many laws do you think are actually read by members of Congress before they vote on them? All of them admitted to not reading the Patriot Act (though how could you vote against something called that!?). There was a survey of members of Congress done I think in the 90's where they admitted to only skimming nearly every single law up for debate.

If you're upset by that, remember, Americans (including yourselves) elect these people.


Anyway, this entire F******* government shutdown is unnecessary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not to mention harmful. It's silly, childish and shockingly irresponsible. And it will end up costing the federal government BILLIONS of dollars. The House already voted to backpay all furloughed Fed workers. So basically, you're paying a bunch of gov't employees to not work. You might be sheltered from a lot of the effects back in Monroe, but it's not a pretty picture in the DMV area (District, Maryland, Virginia). This has huge ripple effects. With the government out of business, the food and services industry is suffering, basically any industry with even a tangential connection to the federal government or ones that rely on its workers are taking a HUGE loss. 

It's incredibly stupid and upsetting and there's no real end in sight. 

And what's going to happen in 2014 or 2016. Incumbency rates will be above 80% again. We're digging that hole deeper and deeper because we keep electing jackasses. 
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Why did Obama shut down the WW2 memorial to WW2 veterans, but open up the mall for Nancy Pelosi and illegal immigrants?
 
BS. He tried to make this as painful as possible as is his custom, or few would have even noticed it is closed (which is a joke in itself).
 
What people will take away from this is, much of the Government is unnecessary and a waste as they suspected all along!


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It doesn't matter anymore.  The GOP caved and only had the medical device tax repealed.  Nothing else.  Ouch   I guess that's good if you need a medical device.  But the debt ceiling will go up to the Administration's number, ACA will be fully funded, sequester will be scaled back.  A big Zero gain for the GOP and the people they represent.  

Disappointing.  
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Originally posted by blueblood blueblood wrote:

Why did Obama shut down the WW2 memorial to WW2 veterans, but open up the mall for Nancy Pelosi and illegal immigrants?


because he clearly doesn't like or appreciate veterans.

Is that the answer you are looking for???

It's not true...but I do think it will make you feel better.
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Like Clinton, I believe Obama hates the military. 

"A lot of wonderful people love their country and hate the military." - Bill Clinton, 1969 (Letter to the National Guard)
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I blame everyone who votes in these same aholes time after time and expect a different outcome.

We need term limits on these clowns.
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Originally posted by blueblood blueblood wrote:

Why did Obama shut down the WW2 memorial to WW2 veterans, but open up the mall for Nancy Pelosi and illegal immigrants?
 
BS. He tried to make this as painful as possible as is his custom, or few would have even noticed it is closed (which is a joke in itself).
 
What people will take away from this is, much of the Government is unnecessary and a waste as they suspected all along!

ugh, c'mon! 

The National Park Service said for months (even years since the threat has existed for a long time of a shutdown) that national parks would be closed! This was well known that memorials and monuments wouldn't be open! The one exception was, of course, for first amendment activities. 

Now of course, the order of events fits into your world view. However, that's not the reason.

Also, I think more than quite a few people in the DC area have noticed the shutdown. If you want to come out here and ask the people who don't have a job right now or aren't getting paid, or the private businesses that are facing some real financial difficulties so soon after the recession, you're more than welcome to stay with me. I have a lot of people to introduce you to. 

I'm sorry if it hasn't impacted your life very much but there are quite a few people who are severely impacted, but hey, gotta sacrifice them because we want to cry about a bill that was passed Constitutionally by both sides of Congress, signed by the President, upheld by the Supreme Court and enacted even with the shutdown. 


Also, you think people are going to take away how much of gov't is unnecessary? You're forgetting how many people are working for free right now. If this drags on, those people are not going to be able to continue working for free and will leave those jobs. Then you'll really REALLY feel the impact. 

Plus you're really taking your world view and projecting it onto others. Just because you don't see/feel the impact or read the stories about how much it's hurting others, doesn't mean that it's not hurting a lot of people. They don't feel the same way as you. 
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Originally posted by John Beagle John Beagle wrote:

Like Clinton, I believe Obama hates the military. 

"A lot of wonderful people love their country and hate the military." - Bill Clinton, 1969 (Letter to the National Guard)

Care to elaborate? Through my company, I worked on a project with the DoD, VA and the White House concerning veterans (nrd.gov and veteran's job bank) and they were all extremely enthusiastic and obviously care deeply about the veterans.

Just because the WWII memorial is shut down because the Republicans refuse to fund the gov't, doesn't mean that Obama hates the military. I think it's pretty insulting as an American to think that a President would "hate" the military. 

I don't think Clinton did either. How old was he in 1969? Do you think the views of a young man in his early 20's defines him for the rest of his life? Did you have any opinions in your early 20's that you don't have now? Or are you the same person?
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If there are people there to stop people from entering, can't those same people let people in to see there memorials ?

Seems idiotic, which is par for the course when it come to the government.
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Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow, we cease to exist!
 
I don't blame Obama. He can get away with just about anything he wants to do, and it will be overlooked by the media and his blind entourage. I never, in million years, thought I would see what I am seeing, what our forefathers saw possible, but denied the possibility out of perceived common sense that has divorced the majority!


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Clinton's dislike for the military is legendary. 

His comment about the "many fine people," himself included of course, who found "themselves still loving their country but loathing the military" was simply disingenuous. One cannot love one's country while "loathing" the very people whose sacrifices, both historically and contemporarily, made that country possible.

"And that is where I am now, writing to you because you have been good to me and have a right to know what I think and feel. I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you to understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give. To many of us, it is no longer clear what is service and what is disservice, or if it is clear, the conclusion is likely to be illegal."   As a Rhodes scholar, Bill Clinton wrote this letter, dated December 3, 1969, to Colonel Eugene J. Holmes, Commandant of the ROTC program at the University of Arkansas, detailing how he deceived Col. Holmes in order to dodge the draft. Transcribed from The Congressional Record--House, July 30, 1993, p. H5550.

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Originally posted by John Beagle John Beagle wrote:

Clinton's dislike for the military is legendary. 

His comment about the "many fine people," himself included of course, who found "themselves still loving their country but loathing the military" was simply disingenuous. One cannot love one's country while "loathing" the very people whose sacrifices, both historically and contemporarily, made that country possible.

"And that is where I am now, writing to you because you have been good to me and have a right to know what I think and feel. I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you to understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give. To many of us, it is no longer clear what is service and what is disservice, or if it is clear, the conclusion is likely to be illegal."   As a Rhodes scholar, Bill Clinton wrote this letter, dated December 3, 1969, to Colonel Eugene J. Holmes, Commandant of the ROTC program at the University of Arkansas, detailing how he deceived Col. Holmes in order to dodge the draft. Transcribed from The Congressional Record--House, July 30, 1993, p. H5550.

President Bill Clinton Made Military Bases “Gun-Free Zones” Source  
One of the first things President Clinton did when he took office was to issue regulations forbidding any military personnel other than guards, military police, and a few other specific service categories, from carrying personal weapons on a military base. It also became almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to military personnel for their own protection.




Actually the DoD made a rule in response to a 1992 DoD directive enacted in the Bush I administration. Here's the directive: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a272176.pdf dated February 1992. 

I'm surprised though, there were a few years of solid republican rule in the early 2000's. Why didn't Bush II change this? 
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Originally posted by zapp2525 zapp2525 wrote:

If there are people there to stop people from entering, can't those same people let people in to see there memorials ?

Seems idiotic, which is par for the course when it come to the government.

No one is really stopping anyone from entering. They have gates up, but then people just move the gates and go to the memorials. 

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Originally posted by blueblood blueblood wrote:

Why did Obama shut down the WW2 memorial to WW2 veterans, but open up the mall for Nancy Pelosi and illegal immigrants?
 
BS. He tried to make this as painful as possible as is his custom, or few would have even noticed it is closed (which is a joke in itself).
 
What people will take away from this is, much of the Government is unnecessary and a waste as they suspected all along!
 
Obama didn't...congress did.
 
He didn't "allow" anyone on the mall.
 
You're talking like the President has full control over everything. First, it was an immigration rally that was permitted to occur, despite the shutdown. Second, it just so happened that 200 some odd Democratic legislators were present at the rally.
 
I disagree, people will take away the government (can't believe we have to argue about this) is totally necessary given how F'd up everything is when it's only partially shut down.
 
 
 
 
 
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Just donned on me, the entire post is a joke.
 
 
How can this be a list of "unnecesarily shutdown government services" when the viewpoint from the beginning, and of the OP, is that government itself is unnecessary?
 
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Only the  Government could be so screwed up that it cost them money not to spend. Only in America! This is one reason we need Tea. This is mine and your money they waste on a massive scale everyday! (Unless you are taking our money, then you are stealing my money!)Wink


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What I'm curious about is if we aren't blaming one person, when states, counties, and cities are offering to pay to keep these government establishments open, then why is Obama threatening to VETO any help that is offered? I understand that he is not the only one to blame for the shutdown, but he is to blame for not allowing other's to help cover costs. It makes me think this is more about just the money. I am a big believer that the government is trying to take over American citizens, and take away our "freedom". I use this term loosely because we are not free anymore.

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