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    Posted: Jan 27 2013 at 4:32pm
Steven King is a funny guy. 



He says thing like:

"Tax Me, for F@%&’s Sake!"



"Right-Wing 'Hate' of Obama Is Like Anger That Led to JFK's Murder"



"If You Can't Read, You'll End Up in the Army or Iraq"



His latest rant goes something like this:

"NRA Should 'Clean Up Blood, Brains and Chunks of Intestine' After Next Massacre"



This coming from the guy who wrote "Rage," a book about a disturbed high-school student with authority problems who kills one of his teachers and takes the rest of his class hostage. 


Nothing like the genius of Steven King to mobilize the insane. 

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so now you compare fictional violence with real life issues?

no better than those that blame video games.

Steven King isn't the issue.  If you can't see the difference between a fictional book and the stances the NRA has taken then I'm not sure what to say.


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I think violence in our culture is responsible for a decline in how we value human life.

Video games, violent movies and books have been blamed on killings for decades. This is nothing new. 

For example: On Dec 8, 1980, Mark David Chapman shot John Lennon outside The Dakota apartment building in New York City. Chapman fired at Lennon five times with a hand gun, hitting Lennon four times in the back. 



Chapman later remained at the scene reading The Catcher in the Rye until the police arrived and arrested him. Chapman repeatedly claimed that the novel was his statement. Catcher in the Rye was written in 1951 by JD Salinger.

"The violence in the entertainment culture, particularly with the extraordinary realism to video games and movies now, does cause vulnerable young men, particularly, to be more violent." Senator Joe Liberman, Independent, Conn.

From Legal Match:

Violence is a prevalent theme in the entertainment industry today, and we can easily find violence in movies, books, and music. Many have blamed the rising violent acts in our society to this widespread use of violence to entertain. As such, producers, artists, publishers, or authors may become liable for violence incited by their work.

What are Some Examples of Violence Incited by Movies, Books, or Music?

    1. A murderer uses a book that provides step-by-step guide to executing a murder and avoiding detection;
    2. A movie watcher imitates some violent act he sees in a movie; 
    3. A person hires an assassin to kill someone after reading an ad in a magazine that solicits criminal activities; or
    4. A concert attendee commits some act of violence after being encouraged to do so from a song.   

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Besides just saying that video games or books are the cause of violence in some way, can anyone show some hard evidence? 


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Originally posted by Matt_Steele Matt_Steele wrote:

Besides just saying that video games or books are the cause of violence in some way, can anyone show some hard evidence? 



And how do you define "hard evidence'? Was not the murder of John Lennon hard evidence enough? 

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Originally posted by John Beagle John Beagle wrote:

Originally posted by Matt_Steele Matt_Steele wrote:

Besides just saying that video games or books are the cause of violence in some way, can anyone show some hard evidence? 



And how do you define "hard evidence'? Was not the murder of John Lennon hard evidence enough? 



Ummm no.

Sample size of 1 does not mean you can extrapolate any type of theory, trend nor should you make any decisions based upon it.


Besides, do we even know that that book actually caused him to murder John Lennon? Are we going to say it was because an obviously mentally disturbed person said so? If a crazy person shot and killed someone and blamed the Easter Bunny for it, would we want to outlaw it? 

How many people have read that book and then committed a crime?
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Salinger was a one trick pony.
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Originally posted by Matt_Steele Matt_Steele wrote:

Originally posted by John Beagle John Beagle wrote:

Originally posted by Matt_Steele Matt_Steele wrote:

Besides just saying that video games or books are the cause of violence in some way, can anyone show some hard evidence? 



And how do you define "hard evidence'? Was not the murder of John Lennon hard evidence enough? 



Ummm no.

Sample size of 1 does not mean you can extrapolate any type of theory, trend nor should you make any decisions based upon it.


Besides, do we even know that that book actually caused him to murder John Lennon? Are we going to say it was because an obviously mentally disturbed person said so? If a crazy person shot and killed someone and blamed the Easter Bunny for it, would we want to outlaw it? 

How many people have read that book and then committed a crime?


An N=1 is never hard evidence of anything.

Forget it...Matt already said it all.
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There are as many examples are there are mass murders. Violence in 'art' and entertainment will always be considered. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 12 students. Immediately the press increased reporting associating the shooting with violent video games and goth culture.

I'm not going to list every example. No matter if I do or not you will say, 2, 3, 4 examples isn't proof enough that our violent art and entertainment will be questioned everytime. As will gun control.

By the way, I'm not in favor of either.  I believe in the free market. 

Society controls the free market. When and if Mom's and Dad's decide they are no longer going to buy something that they spend billions on, well then that market shrinks. And as a rule, people have less exposure to a product when there is less of it around.

This is one more reason why capitalism is so great. Ultimately society as a whole votes for everything with their pocketbook. 

'Cept when the gmnt gets in the way.
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If it's acceptable to "blame" violence on ANY inanimate object.. then what's really off the table?


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Perhaps we start by not letting people with PTSD around fire arms...even if they are trained.  that would seem like a better place than blaming video games.

get people who need it help.


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Are we still on this? Your anecdotal "evidence" amounts to nothing. You know good and well John that correlation is NOT causation. Being in the media business I would not expect you to taking such shots at media. Leave that to other clowns. There is nothing that points to media as a cause to a raise in violence or "desensitizing" people to its effects.

Let's start with this: http://childstats.gov/americaschildren/beh.asp
That shows as this video game boom is on and video game playing/purchasing is at an all time high, children violence is declining.

Then lets go here: http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/08-1448.pdf
And hear from our Supreme Court that too many "studies" out there are inconclusive or so biased that we can't make a definitive statement about violence and media. So lets commission studies that take elements at play and limit them to JUST media and see what the effect on behavior is.
And if our Supreme Court isn't enough http://www.isfe.eu/sites/isfe.eu/files/literature_review_violent_games_-_summary.pdf here is a report from Sweden stating the same thing

So let's take a controlled look at what media's influence on violence actually is.
John Sherry (2001). University of Notre Dame. "Effects The effects of violent video games on aggression: A meta-analysis. concludes that video games do not increase aggression.
Ferguson. C. J., & Kilburn, J. (2009). "The Public health risks of media violence: A meta-analytic review." Journal of Pediatric, agree with this conclusions.

Texas A&M's research lab http://www.tamiu.edu/~cferguson/Not%20Worth%20the%20Fuss.pdf concluded that exposure to video game violence neither increased aggressive behaviors, nor decreased prosocial behaviors. And published a large study of children in Computers in Human Behavior which found video game violence effects to be inconsequential with other factors controlled. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563212000623

So there you have actual evidence, not conjecture or anecdotes, on media's influence in violence. Can we stop blamin Sallinger, King, D&D, Call of Duty, etc and start figuring out what is REALLY at play? Please. Besides if any of that were true I'd sit in the dark, popping
pills and chasing ghosts, or have grown up to be a plumber doing shrooms.
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