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    Posted: Oct 10 2016 at 10:18pm
Too bad these two didn't team up.
They are one in the same.
Pals on the outside.
Enemies on stage.
It's going to be a long 4 years.
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Honestly I don't even think a vast majority of Americans know what the President actually does.  Which is sad.  "The President makes the laws" or "he's going to end welfare" or "she's going to take our guns" etc etc.  These are things I've actually heard people say.  Really?  And how, exactly, do you think the head of the Executive branch of government is going to do these things?  

Government, it doesn't work like you think it does. 
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To further my point I'll use an example from the debate the other night.  And I'm not out to just pick on one side or another, though I'm sure it's how some will read it. 

Trump asked Clinton why she didn't change the tax code (if she didn't like it) with her 30 years in public office.

Besides the obvious fact that she was not a U.S. Senator for 30 years, Mr. Trump obviously does not recognize that the Origination Clause, Article I, Section 7 of the Constitution says that all bills that raise revenue must originate in the House of Representatives.  And since she was a Senator, she would have had to wait until there was already a bill from the House sent over to the Senate.  

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Originally posted by vegasmayor vegasmayor wrote:

Honestly I don't even think a vast majority of Americans know what the President actually does.  Which is sad.  "The President makes the laws" or "he's going to end welfare" or "she's going to take our guns" etc etc.  These are things I've actually heard people say.  Really?  And how, exactly, do you think the head of the Executive branch of government is going to do these things?  

Government, it doesn't work like you think it does. 

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Yikes.  That's a pretty telling video.  Maybe we aren't doing enough to teach the young people?  I don't know.  So many of those answers were so basic.
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[QUOTE=John Beagle]
[QUOTE=vegasmayor]Honestly I don't even think a vast majority of Americans know what the President actually does.  Which is sad.  "The President makes the laws" or "he's going to end welfare" or "she's going to take our guns" etc etc.  These are things I've actually heard people say.  Really?  And how, exactly, do you think the head of the Executive branch of government is going to do these things? Government, it doesn't work like you think it does.



Well.....there are cases of "executive orders" and government agencies (under whichever current administration) making/changing "rules"/laws. So, yes,the executive branch seems to possess some "law-making authority".
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I'm gonna grab pussys and erase emails and be happy with both candidates.


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President Obama has issued fewer executive orders than any two term president since Ulysses S. Grant.
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Originally posted by basser basser wrote:

President Obama has issued fewer executive orders than any two term president since Ulysses S. Grant.



If you were directing this to me, I knew that before I posted. I mentioned no particular president/administration. It was a general statement about potential executive branch "law-making".
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Originally posted by MElass MElass wrote:

Well.....there are cases of "executive orders" and government agencies (under whichever current administration) making/changing "rules"/laws. So, yes,the executive branch seems to possess some "law-making authority".

But even then, people don't even realize what executive orders really are or how much power they do/don't contain:

"United States presidents issues executive orders to help officers and agencies of the executive branch manage the operations within the federal government itself...Major policy initiatives require approval by the legislative branch, but executive orders have significant influence over the internal affairs of government, deciding how and to what degree legislation will be enforced, dealing with emergencies, waging wars, and in general fine-tuning policy choices in the implementation of broad statutes."

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Originally posted by vegasmayor vegasmayor wrote:



Originally posted by MElass MElass wrote:

Well.....there are cases of "executive orders" and government agencies (under whichever current administration) making/changing "rules"/laws. So, yes,the executive branch seems to possess some "law-making authority".


But even then, people don't even realize what executive orders really are or how much power they do/don't contain:



"United States presidents<span style="color: rgb37, 37, 37; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"> issues </span><b style="color: rgb37, 37, 37; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">executive orders<span style="color: rgb37, 37, 37; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"> to help officers and agencies of the </span>executive branch<span style="color: rgb37, 37, 37; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"> manage the operations within the federal government itself...</span><span style="color: rgb37, 37, 37; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Major policy initiatives require approval by the legislative branch, but executive orders have significant influence over the internal affairs of government, deciding how and to what degree legislation will be enforced, dealing with emergencies, waging wars, and in general fine-tuning policy choices in the implementation of broad statutes."</span>
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<span style="color: rgb37, 37, 37; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order
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A nice "neat" defintion. I would be interested in a FAIR analysis of executive orders and how well they meet that "criteria" over, say---the last 60-70 years.
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I'm curious how Hillary's discussion of an executive order on the 2nd Ammendment fit into our understanding of that power?
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