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    Posted: Jul 21 2013 at 9:34pm
Washington DC is certainly feeling it: 


List of D.C. summer heat milestones since 2010:

two of the top four hottest Junes
hottest two June days
hottest three Julys
hottest three summers
earliest 100-degree reading in a day
3 longest stretches of temperatures above 80 degrees
longest uninterrupted stretch above 100
most 100-degree days in a month (7)
tie for most consecutive days at 100 (4)
tie for most 90+ days in a year (67)
tie for most 95+ days in a year (28)
At least 50 90+ days for three straight years, first time on record
hottest days so early and late in the season




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German meteorologists say that the start of 2013 is the coldest in 208 years – and now German media has quoted Russian scientist Dr Habibullo Abdussamatov from the St. Petersburg Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory, who says it is proof that we are heading for a “Mini Ice Age.”

http://iceagenow.info/2013/04/start-2013-coldest-208-years/

Global warming is the religion for idiots! 
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Why should I listen to one guy when there is so much evidence contradicting him?





Many areas of the world experienced higher-than-average monthly temperatures, including most of northern Siberia, western Russia, northern and eastern Europe, and central Australia. Meanwhile, western Siberia, northeastern Kazakhstan, western Europe, southwestern Greenland, parts of the central and southeastern United States, and Alaska were notably below average.





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Quick, beef up that steady stream of global warming grant money. Tighten the screws on the state controlled media! Whatever you do, don't let politics and truth ever come into focus. Play the race card, for crying out loud! Just shut up, the debate is over!Wink
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/15905-study-too-little-carbon-dioxide-will-destroy-earth
Study: Too Little Carbon Dioxide Will Destroy Earth
 
Do you want to save the planet? Fire up the SUV this holiday weekend and go for a pleasure ride; burn some more coal in your barbecue grill; crank up the house’s AC; and, generally, aspire to a Paul Bunyan-size carbon footprint. Because according to astrobiologist Jack O’Malley-James speaking at the National Astronomy meeting at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland, life on Earth will suffer a carbon-dioxide-related extinction. But contrary to popular-culture belief, the problem will be too little of the naturally occurring gas.

The more you really examine the scientific truth about carbon dioxide rather than the politically-charged "hate speech" against Mother Nature being spewed by people like Al Gore, the more you realize CO2 is a crucial nutrient for the Earth's environment and ecosystem. In fact, the vast majority of all the CO2 released into the atmosphere is produced by Mother Nature via animals in the ocean.

Note here that carbon dioxide is to plants what oxygen is to man. People have reduced stamina and more trouble breathing at higher altitudes because there’s less oxygen in the air; likewise, decreased CO2 inhibits plant photosynthesis, which is why botanists pump the gas into their greenhouses. This is also one reason the age of the dinosaurs was marked by lush foliage blanketing the Earth: Carbon dioxide levels were 5 to 10 times those of today.

 

But while CO2’s affect on flora is well established, its influence on temperature is a different matter. In fact, some scientists believe increased carbon dioxide may actually cool the atmosphere. Writes Principia Scientific International:

A recent NASA report throws the space agency into conflict with its climatologists after new NASA measurements prove that carbon dioxide acts as a coolant in Earth's atmosphere.

NASA's Langley Research Center has collated data proving that “greenhouse gases” actually block up to 95 percent of harmful solar rays from reaching our planet, thus reducing the heating impact of the sun. The data was collected by Sounding of the Atmosphere using Broadband Emission Radiometry, (or SABER). SABER monitors infrared emissions from Earth’s upper atmosphere, in particular from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances thought to be playing a key role in the energy balance of air above our planet’s surface.

Whatever the effect of CO2 on climate, many experts also point out that the computer forecasting models predicting a steadily warming planet are belied by actual temperature records. Wrote the Daily Mail last year:

The world stopped getting warmer almost 16 years ago, according to new data released last week.

The figures, which have triggered debate among climate scientists, reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012, there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures.

This means that the "plateau" or "pause" in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996. Before that, temperatures had been stable or declining for about 40 years.

So if the critics of Anthropogenic Global Warming theory are correct, the only man-made aspect of the matter is the data itself. Nonetheless, while it’s entirely possible the climate won’t be heating up anytime soon, the rhetoric surrounding it most surely will.



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I don't know anyone who doesn't believe the first paragraph about CO2. Of course it's critical to the environment and of course it's produced naturally. 

Producing it unnaturally is what the problem is. Look at why Venus is so hot, it's not just because it's closer to the Sun (Venus is actually much hotter than Mercury). Its atmosphere is almost all CO2. Also, what happened when the Earth's atmosphere was mostly CO2? It was pretty hot out there. When the dinosaurs were around, with higher CO2 levels, it was also much warmer.



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All I'll say about that chart is that you should consider the source (not to mention some of the inaccuracies).

Cliff Harris likes to look at the Bible for clues about what the weather will be in the future. I think in the case of weather prediction, I'll go with actual scientists. 

Also, why isn't the Y axis labeled on here? And where is this data coming from? 

And why does this chart differ so much from this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png



A reminder: There are VERY FEW national or international scientific organizations that doubt global warming. Yet even those who are skeptical, many actually believe global warming is happening. http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/global_warming_contrarians/global-warming-skeptic.html


I understand differing on how bad it might be or how to combat it (if at all), but I really really do not understand the reasoning and thinking behind believing that the Earth is not warming. The evidence is just plain overwhelming. At this point, it has to be some type of cognitive dissonance, much like when people refused to believe that there weren't WMDs or that Iraq had something to do with 9/11. 
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A reminder: There are VERY FEW national or international scientific organizations that doubt global warming. Yet even those who are skeptical, many actually believe global warming is happening.  
[/QUOTE] This couldn't be farther from the truth, but it is the standard party line of Obama. Last tally I saw it was about 50-50, but with billions going out, they may have bought off more by now.
 
This, like every other major policy coming from this administration, has absolutely nothing to do with warming, and everything to do with control.
 
The biggest joke that will go under the radar (and be hailed as credible by the state controlled media) is Obama's recent rant that he is going to help the economy, and break through all that evil republican resistant of not wanting anyone but the rich to do well! He is and has been from the beginning, the biggest obstacle to progress. Everything he does goes against any form of common sense, but when reported and spun with the proper technique to the low informations, sounds brilliant, and the newly coined populations of grasshoppers, really could care less, as long as the gravy train rolls on!
 
The end all to this, is the substantial quantities of people whom naively believe, even if man made global warming were real, that any action we take would have any effect except to assure we become a footnote in history and a lesson for future generations of what not to do. To his credit, with a little help from his media friends, he could be the best politician in the history of this country. In the same breath, He is the worst thing that could have ever been thrust upon our land. Hands down!


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Hey I like that editorial that you linked to! I think his analysis and conclusions are spot on.

Anyway, I'm not sure when the last tally you saw but let's run through the orgs and when they were spoke out in belief of global warming.


Also, spoiler alert, most of these organizations are not US (so not getting any of US $$$) and most of them supported it before Obama was even elected for the first term. 

Polish Academy of Science - 2007
American Association for the Advancement of Science (world's largest) - 2006
Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies - 2008
United States National Research Council - 2001
Royal Society of New Zealand - 2001 and 2008
Royal Society of United Kingdom - 2001 and 2010
African Academy of Sciences - 2007
European Academy of Sciences and Arts - 2007
European Science Foundation - 2007
InterAcademy Council - 2007
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences - 2007
American Chemical Society - 2005
American Institute of Physics - 2003
American Physical Society - 2007
Australian Institute of Physics - 2005
European Physical Society - 2007
American Geophysical Union - 2003 and 2007
American Society of Agronomy - 2011
Crop Science Society of America - 2011
Soil Science Society of America - 2011
European Federation of Geologists - 2008
European Geosciences Union - 2005 and 2008
Geological Society of America - 2006
Geological Society of London - 2010
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics - 2007
National Association of Geoscience Teachers - 2009
American Meteorological Society - 2012
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society - 2012
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences - 2005
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society - 2009
Royal Meteorological Society - 2007
World Meteorological Organization - 2006
American Quarternary Association - (not listed)
International Union for Quarternary Research - (not listed, quarternary sites don't like to list dates I guess)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians - (not listed)
American Institute of Biological Sciences - 2009
American Society for Microbiology - 2006
Australian Coral Reef Society - 2006
Institute of Biology - (not listed)
Society of American Foresters - 2008
The Wildlife Society - 2011
American Academy of Pediatrics - 2007
American College of Preventative Medicine - 2006
American Medical Association - 2008
American Public Health Association - 2007
Australian Medical Association - 2004 and 2008
World Federation of Public Health Associations - 2001
WHO - 2008
American Astronomical Society - 2004
American Statistical Association - 2007
Engineers Australia - 2007
International Association for Great Lakes Research - 2009
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand - 2001
American Institute of Professional Geologists - 2009 and 2010 (though they are taking a position to not talk about it, not accepting any articles for their journal on the subject of climate change, whether pro or con)


Oh and these 34 National Academies of Science all in 2001: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_academies
(including these countries: Albania, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Canada, Cambodia, China, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong, Hungary, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Norway, Pakistan, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Scotland, Serbia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan, Thailand, Turkey, Ukraine, UK, USA and Vatican City.)



Here are the organizations that have not committed to any side:

American Association of Petroleum Geologists
American Association of Climatologists
American Geological Institute
Canadian Federation of Earth Sciences


Here are the organizations that do not believe global warming is happening:


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p.s. surveys of scientific research shows about 97% supporting the belief of global warming.
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To further illustrate the disconnect:


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I'm going with Bob Preston on this one.

he clearly knows something everyone else doens't

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If you read the entire article and do the math, it comes to about 50% just as I said. The Euro's are all backing out of the deal, because 1. They have no money ( sound familiar) and 2. The are freezing to death throwing good money after bad. With all the problems we have, this President lives on, and for distractions that are killing us and amount to much adieu about nothing.
 
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-scientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/
Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis

It is becoming clear that not only do many scientists dispute the asserted global warming crisis, but these skeptical scientists may indeed form a scientific consensus.

Don’t look now, but maybe a scientific consensus exists concerning global warming after all. Only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe that humans are creating a global warming crisis, according to a survey reported in the peer-reviewed Organization Studies. By contrast, a strong majority of the 1,077 respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a very serious problem.

 

The survey results show geoscientists (also known as earth scientists) and engineers hold similar views as meteorologists. Two recent surveys of meteorologists (summarized here and here) revealed similar skepticism of alarmist global warming claims.

According to the newly published survey of geoscientists and engineers, merely 36 percent of respondents fit the “Comply with Kyoto” model. The scientists in this group “express the strong belief that climate change is happening, that it is not a normal cycle of nature, and humans are the main or central cause.”



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What part of that Wall Street Journal article did I not read? Was it this part:


When we began our study, we felt that skeptics had raised legitimate issues, and we didn't know what we'd find. Our results turned out to be close to those published by prior groups. We think that means that those groups had truly been very careful in their work, despite their inability to convince some skeptics of that. They managed to avoid bias in their data selection, homogenization and other corrections.

Global warming is real. Perhaps our results will help cool this portion of the climate debate. How much of the warming is due to humans and what will be the likely effects? We made no independent assessment of that.




Anyway, that's an interesting Op-Ed, yet when you actually read it and read the study that he linked to, it tells a slightly different story than the headline.

Only 24% of the scientific research surveyed doesn't believe in global warming. 76% do! Just with varying levels of the danger and the cause. 

I think some of this is semantics. Saying you believe in global warming doesn't mean that you believe in catastrophic changes. 

(Here's the main journal article if you'd like to read: http://oss.sagepub.com/content/33/11/1477.full)
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Also, what are the Euros pulling out of? The Kyoto Protocol? 
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The fact that you believe or don't believe is as irrelevant as whether you believe it is natural or man made. Both are irrelevant in the big picture. When coupled with the fact that one party and ideology believes by profiting and killing the economy will make any difference, (the most ardent supporters admit to this) you can change the weather by taking on all the hardships and economic devastation, while the other half of the world laughs at your stupidity and goes full throttle!
 
Nothing Obama does has anything to do with doing good, or doing the right thing. It is calculated about building a permanent coalition, permanently devoted to perpetual Democratic allegiance. It is about control and dependence and he is able to accomplish this only with the FULL cooperation of 90% + of the mainstream (state controlled) media. It will take decades to recover from the economic impact alone, even if we have a great awakening and change course promptly. This, however is most unlikely, as he has created too many grasshoppers, for the ants to overtake. In the end, it will take something much more radical, if at all, we are ever to get back on track.
 
Europe’s Climate Change Fail
 
EU Debate Over Climate Change Policy Could Dampen Renewable Energy Growth
 
Climate Change: Russia Is Steamed About U.N.'s Kyoto Carbon Credit COP-Out

Carbon credit cap-and-trade marketing is but one U.N. climate alarm-based profiteering scheme aimed at global wealth redistribution. Another important agenda item for the UNFCCC’s  2015 Paris treaty to address is a planned “loss and damage” mechanism to seek compensation from “Tier 1” developed nations by a lawyered-up group of small island governments, the  Alliance of Small Island States (AOSIS),  premised upon global warming hazards caused by industrialization. AOSIS leaders, including Tuvalu, Kirabati, St. Lucia, and the Maldives, claim that man-made global warming is causing super-hurricanes and rising sea levels.

And who is most to blame? Coincidentally, of course, those legions of lawyers have identified culprits with the deepest pockets…the U.S., Western Europe and Japan. Although China is now the world’s largest CO2 emitter, they got a pass. Still to be determined, is the problem of how such penalties should be assessed. For example, if a Category 4 hurricane hits an island, how can anyone know which portion of that hurricane was caused by each nation?  Also, how much of it was caused by those coal plants and SUVs, versus at Mother Nature’s sole discretion?

The idea of penalizing the West for trumped-up past and future climate crimes is certainly not new. Prior to COP-15 (2009-Copenhagen), several Latin American nations, the Philippines and the African Union claimed that Western countries owed developing countries trillions of dollars.

U.S. and European delegation representatives attending the Copenhagen Climate Conference initially agreed to provide their “fair share”, pledging $10 billion in compensation per year from 2010 to 2012, The offer was rejected as an insult, discussions were temporarily interrupted as representatives of several undeveloped countries walked out of the meetings, and angry riots broke out in the streets over the injustice of such paltry penance.

Then-Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez told the audience where to lay the blame for the world’s social, economic and climate problems:

  •  “If the climate was a bank, [the West] would already have saved it”.
  • “The destructive model of capitalism is eradicating life”.
  •  “Our revolution seeks to help all people…Socialism, is the other ghost that is   probably       wandering around this room, that’s the way to save the planet; capitalism is the road to hell…Let’s fight against capitalism and make it obey us”.

Then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton then came to the rescue, offering to up the ante with a $100 billion annual contribution from the United States and our more prosperous friends to the “poorest and most vulnerable [nations] among us” by 2020. She said that the money would come from “a variety of sources, public and private, bilateral and multilateral, including alternative sources of finance”. Where it would actually come from no one knew, including Hillary and her boss. (Any guesses?)

Time to End the Climate of Insanity

It’s way past time to recognize that UNFCCC’s cap-and-trade, loss and damage compensation and other global wealth redistribution agendas have little or nothing to do with actually preventing a climate crisis, much less offering any benefits. Despite rising atmospheric CO2 levels, global temperatures have not only been flat for going on two decades, but are predicted by leading scientists to cool over many future years or decades to come.

Russia entered into the Kyoto Protocol realizing prior to that time that there was no convincing scientific climate-related basis for doing so.  More recent determinations by researchers at their prestigious Pulkovo Observatory in St. Petersburg project that the global average yearly temperature will soon begin to decline into a very cold and protracted climate phase.



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Ok well I don't think this argument is going to go any further. You have a very strict viewpoint that global warming is a huge scam to ruin America for the sole purpose of perpetual Democratic power (which begs the question, why would they want to have power over something not powerful?).

I don't understand your "sky is falling" attitude towards America nor do I understand your belief that scientists are corrupt and would do anything for money. (Also, if you don't believe scientists, then why would you believe scientists who don't support global warming? Is it because they have the same belief as you?)

So I'm just going to go ahead and end this thread on my side knowing that nearly all scientists and scientific organizations have very similar beliefs about global warming that I do and knowing that some people, regardless of the amount of evidence and data, will refuse to believe it. 

I'm not going to waste my time trying to convert those who are absolutely opposed.
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Originally posted by Matt_Steele Matt_Steele wrote:


I don't understand your "sky is falling" attitude

LOL coming from a globull whinning alarmist.
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Originally posted by bobpreston bobpreston wrote:

Originally posted by Matt_Steele Matt_Steele wrote:


I don't understand your "sky is falling" attitude

LOL coming from a globull whinning alarmist.


If you are going to pick apart someone you might want to at least quote the entire sentence?

Then again, you have never been one for accuracy.


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Boy talk about calling the kettle black^^^^^^
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Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:

Boy talk about calling the kettle black^^^^^^


Oh brother. 

Concentrate on reading comprehension.  You still haven't bounced back from your complete fail a few weeks ago. 




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From Kimmel show a few years back:

President Bush has a plan. He says that if we need to, we can lower the temperature dramatically just by switching from Fahrenheit to Celsius.
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Originally posted by bobpreston bobpreston wrote:

Originally posted by Matt_Steele Matt_Steele wrote:


I don't understand your "sky is falling" attitude

LOL coming from a globull whinning alarmist.

LOL coming from a guy who generalizes all people who believe in global warming into the same alarmist pot. 


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WEATHER CHANNEL 
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'Greatest Scam in History'

I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.

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Believing or not believing is not the central issue in this climate debate. Weather has changed and will continue to change, from the beginning of time until the end! This much we all know and agree on to be true. The fracture comes as it is made into a left/right issue, in that only a liberal Democrat can believe (or fantasize) that by spending large amounts of money, and growing government, all the while profiting from fictitious carbon schemes,(never let a crisis go to waste) they can control the weather! If the money was printed and created, it would be just another mysterious moment of creating something from nothing, of which they have perfected to an art form. It's not. As in all things levied by our Washington friends, it will come from you and me, in the form of not only extremely high energy bills, but excessively higher prices across the board on everything we buy.
 
We stand on the sidelines and cheer as the Government fines, investigates, levies large monetary claims against business and think, "what a fine job of protecting/looking out for us they are doing", when in reality, they are accomplishing nothing except passing on all of this extra tax money to the consumer who uses these products and services.
 
And since you have replicated the global warming cardinal sin of picking out one place (Washington DC, where admittedly the air has warmed greatly since the Democrats took over in 07) and using it as the standard, lets take a snapshot look at your old home town, Monroe Ohio.
 
The coldest wettest spring in most peoples memory! A summer that came on slow, looked like summer for a short while, sputtered a couple times, had a momentary look that it might be here, then , seemingly died, right at the statistical hottest time of the year. Record cold temperatures occurring on a daily basis as well as record low, high temperatures! Some like this weather, because it is much more akin to October than July, but me, I'm freezing wearing a jacket in the mornings in southern Ohio in July.
 
Yes, I am a firm believer in climate change, and apparently, the mere threat of Obama challenging the weather and the economy with a boat load of money has scared our Summer clean out of the area. The long range forecasts further confirm the gloom and doom, as they say summer is all but over! I am not in the least bit happy about any of these shenanigans, and apparently God is laughing somewhere in heaven at man's foolish ways! LOL


“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
Mark Twain
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1) Besides the first post in this thread, I've used only aggregate data. Anyone who only uses one data point is beyond being a fool.

2) People have bad memory. Since 2000, there have been 10 new record lows and 48 record highs for Monroe Ohio (source: http://www.intellicast.com/Local/History.aspx?month=1)

3) No scientist (or I hope politician, though we have some dumb ones) is stupid enough to think that we can control the weather

4) In reference to John Beagle's post: John Coleman's credentials in science are very lacking. In that post (which I looked up) he doesn't give any evidence why it is a scam other than just yelling SCAM! If you want to show people why you're right and they're incorrect, a good place to start would be with some empirical evidence.
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