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    Posted: Nov 04 2012 at 6:41pm
Get the objective facts before you vote Tuesday...not from the Teacher & School Administration funded Policital Action Committee, Monroe Local Schools Levy Committee. Read the whole thing before you comment.
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I did not read the entire post but the first thing that struck me (using your numbers) is that the District staff grew 30%. It is a new school district so they are going to need some new staff. The average salary is approx. $57,000. Not bad to get a teacher that most likely has at least a Master's degree for that price. Everybody on here does not want to pay extra taxes. But until a better way is found to support our schools then I see no other way to do this. I recently traveled to West Virginia and every school district we went by had a new or recently build school buildings. How did they pay for them as the population is a lot less there than here? Maybe you would like to see our schools combine again with Middletown or maybe even Lakota where you can pay even higher taxes for the schools.
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The amount of distortion here will take awhile to fix, but let me begin with a few main points:


2) It says that a majority of the revenue goes to teachers. What do people believe is the main cost of school districts if not teachers? What else do you want your district spending the majority of their money on?

3) The Monroe School Local Schools Levy Committee 2012 was at the Homecoming Game registering people to vote. There was no literature that said vote yes. They appear to know and are following the rules.

4) It states that unequivocally that we have"the second highest Custodial Maintenance Cost per SqFt" and it clearly shows us third. 

I will try to explain more later. 

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Do people really believe that teachers only work (as a teacher) for 185 days in a year? 
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Do you believe a non teacher works only 265 eight hour days per year?
I believe teachers work more than 185 eight hour days.
I know I work more than 265 eight hour days.
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Where did you get your student teacher ratio? According to the Cupp report (which is the ODE comprehensive report that digest all of the information for each district, which of course you can download yourself HERE, please inform yourselves.) (Be sure to scroll down until you see the Excel file.)the student teacher ratio was last reported in FY08 and was 19.81. Either you calculated it yourself, which will be inaccurate as some people under teaching contracts in any district are not in a classroom role, or you have different source. 
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I dont dispute both student and staff populatios increasing.
Its just a fact. The point of this all was to put out facts.

Yes we should invest in the teachers. Again, just a fact.

With regard to following rules, they may have been registering people to vote, but they were a PAC campaigning at the same time. Clearly outside the lines. They even posted the pictures.
When there is a PAC banner with YES on it, it is against the rules.
Go to their facebook page and you can see the pictures.

As far as your last point, I guess you got me. Let's throw the baby out with the bath water. We're third.

You can "explain" all you want, but these are all facts as part of public record.
And you miss the point completely in your rush to judgment. Perhaps instead of acting like the rest of the pro levy folks, you should take a minute to understand. I'm not against a levy. I'm against this one. It doesn't do anything.
Instead of demonstrating efficiency, then formulating a strong plan demonstrating a real investment in education and accountability, we get this desperate cry for more money. That's neither a plan or investment. Done right, we could ask the voters for a little bit more and campaign on investment, not desperate reactive patching.
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If you read all my posts, I cite everything I can with public record facts. Two parts of your solution are things many do not understand or do not want.

1) You want to cut extracurricular activities.
 
2)   You are counting on a real estate market rebound and reassessment in 2014. If monies are collected in 2014, I do not think they will be distributed to the schools until FY2015.
 
This leaves a big hole that we still have to fill in the meantime which means MORE borrowing from the state. Every time we borrow from the State we must pay it back within 2 years. 

Even with your cuts we simply do not have the money to maintain operations and pay our debt. Where will that money come from?

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You also  say you are posting facts, however there are no citations or references to back your data. I've already pointed out several errors. For instance, where did you get the data for the custodians and building operations cost? 
I have looked but can not find any sources to verify your facts. 
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Too little, too late.

There is a giant, committed crowd of Yes voters that still see the undeniable truth:

The levy is state mandated and millage will continue to rise if we do not pass.

This FACT carries enough weight behind it to move this community forward.
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This levy must past or this town will become much like this new show on tv that has a lot of people talking about it. The Walking Dead. Even if as you say the levy will not do anything, I know the one thing it will do is to put the past behind us and give our schools a fresh new footing on which to start. Then the voters can decide if they want to 'can' the entire school board all the supervisors and all the teachers and combine with another district. But we have to pay our debt to the state. The levy will do that and get us by for a few years then you can decide if it was worth it.
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What is your solution jagrace….what is your motivation…..whatever was done by anyone volunteering was done with the rules in mind and was motivated not by punishing those responsible for the past but by trying to secure some kind of future for the kids….what other motivation do we as citizens have….we are certainly not getting a check if it passes…how bout the vote no signs that are not within the “rules”.
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Really tacky to vilify the Levy Committee... who are a small group of volunteers with the best interest of the community at heart... that is their only intent. You don't agree with them and that is your right but it is obvious you've been keeping notes and watching closely. Shady. Why stoop so low and even bring them up in your post... If you are so confident in your numbers and ideas. Just makes you look like an unreliable source.

btw There are illegal "Vote No" signs all over town. In fact, I've yet to see one that has the correct legal verbage... following the rules... heh! Thumbs Down
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I agree it is tacky.
 
Just because I don't know the law about "legal verbage" on the Vote signs.
 
So what is the legal verbage that can be used?
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There is nothing complicated about the legal requirement for campaign communications. All correspondence about election issues (including signs) must include who or what organization sponsored it, and how to contact them. For example, a candidate's lawn signs or letters must include who paid for it (or what committee) and how to contact them, such as the campaign's treasurer's name and address. I always included my phone number on my signs as well. 
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Tom that is great information to know but not the answer I was looking for.
 
outdoormom posted "btw There are illegal "Vote No" signs all over town. In fact, I've yet to see one that has the correct legal verbage... following the rules... heh!"
 
I underlined it and changed the color to make it easier to see why I asked.
 
I still appreciate the information you posted.
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