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    Posted: Jul 03 2013 at 10:55pm
I don't post on here much anymore.
But something I just read on a local real estate website kind of struck me as odd and I just wanted to get the opinion of the other eight people who still post here also. (Just kidding Mr. Beagle)

At any rate, the real estate web site, (company of which will go un-named) stated that the residents of Monroe is made up of a 70% white collar workforce, with the balance of 30% being blue collar.

Now I know I am slow to the up take quite often, but this just strikes me as maybe a bit of marketing arithmetic. Or maybe I just have an antiquated view of what 'Collar' certain jobs fall.

Oh, and just to set the record straight. Blue collars are no longer acceptable, one must wear this childishly offensive version called, High Viz.

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It has to be wrong, you can use statistics to lie about anything.

 

And any country that ties its economy to real estate~  house building & buying knows how to play up statistics.  I would believe it in Mason, but not Monroe. 

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Meh. I've lived all over this great country of ours and I can tell you without reservation that they are all 100% full of horse shiat.
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I have looked at several websites and I felt awful, being that I'm the "blue collar" portion of Monroe. I work hard for a living. Apparently, I'm also the 30% who makes less than 50,000 a year.
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I'm interested in seeing their methodology (for example: Are they only counting residents who live AND work in Monroe and not those that commute to say Middletown or elsewhere). I don't normally trust statistics from websites that have a primary motive in the outcome of said statistics (ie: oil drilling companies claims about impact and vice versa). 

However thinking about it, that's a good question. Monroe has certainly grown a lot in the past 10-20 years and the job environment is a lot different too. What is the percentage now? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote John Beagle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul 08 2013 at 11:28am
Originally posted by FL_girl FL_girl wrote:

I have looked at several websites and I felt awful, being that I'm the "blue collar" portion of Monroe. I work hard for a living. Apparently, I'm also the 30% who makes less than 50,000 a year.

Being white or blue collar isn't defined by income. There are plenty of blue collar workers making much more than $50k per year. 

From Wiki:

Blue-collar work may involve skilled or unskilled,manufacturingminingconstructionmechanicalmaintenance, technical installation and many other types of physical work. Often something is physically being built or maintained.

In contrast, the white-collar worker typically performs work in an office environment and may involve sitting at a computer or desk. A third type of work is a service worker (pink collar) whose labor is related to customer interaction, entertainment, sales or other service oriented work. Many occupations blend blue, white and/or pink (service) industry categorizations.

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Historically the popularity of the colour blue among manual labourers contrasts with the popularity of white dress shirts worn by men in office environments. The blue collar/white collar colour scheme has socio-economic class connotations. 

However, this distinction has become blurred with the increasing importance of skilled labour, and the relative increase in low-paying, white-collar jobs.
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Also, the big push for STEM jobs has created a lot of blue collar jobs as well

Brookings did a study on STEM jobs and found that policymakers are overlooking STEM jobs that are more blue collar (though the focus was more on degree not required jobs, which doesn't always meet the definition of blue collar)
(p.s. take a look at that map, southwest Ohio is really becoming a good area for STEM jobs)




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That is where I lost the understanding of terminology. It's has to do with description. Not so much actual job title or wages.
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The facts are that the real estate website is wrong, they want to create an illusion of Monroe that does not exist citywide.  Maybe within a subdivision or two in Monroe, but not citywide.  If you want to know more information about the city you are looking to buy a house in, drive there and stay nearby for the weekend. 
Talk to the people, visit with the neighbors and go to the parks and library, school.  Visit during their annual festivals, visit area churches, and review the city online as well.  Also visit the areas at different times of the day, find out how noisy the area is after 5:00 p.m. when most people return from work or after 9:00 p.m.  When most people want to get some rest, that was a big ear opener for our family. (Route 63 is so lovely with all the semis jake breaking in the evening and early morning hours, but not as noticeable during the day.  Must be the police presence at that time?)
Look at the neighborhood, are the blinds or windows open?  closed?  Is there landscaping, improvements?  Are people outside working on their homes and properties, talking to neighbors? Are people biking, walking or exercising in the area?  Do you see any vandalism, notice anything odd?  Just don't take anything for granted, especially if its on a website.  Do some leg work if you are placing yourself or your family in a new city or subdivision. 
 
 
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I almost accept the study claiming the 30/70 split.

Historically, Monroe was largely influenced by ARMCO, with many residents working there, blue and white collar. Starting in 2003 with a mass influx of people, the city more than doubled in size. Almost none of that growth was because of AK steel, as they have not hired many people in recent years. Instead, our new residents come from a very diverse group of employers, making us less vulnerable than in the past to anything that might happen due to AK's troubling financial situation.

So what jobs do they have? Most I have talked with work in the northern complexes of companies in greater Cincinnati, Westchester, South Lebanon, etc., with a sprinkling of ones going north to the Dayton area. P&G is a great example of companies moving operations out of Cincinnati. Far more salaried employees work there than hourly. And the number of smaller businesses located in these regions is huge.

The more I think about it, the more I believe the 70/30 ratio of white collar to blue collar. Why? Because so many of the newer residents came to Monroe because they added to their family. These are people in their early to mid-twenties. They missed the chance to work at the large companies like GE, P&G, etc., and instead largely work for smaller, newer businesses, ones with far fewer blue collar jobs.

I shared with a friend that the US would have difficulty moving some operations back to the US because of a near total lack of toolmakers. These are the highest paid blue collar workers anywhere, and all their jobs went to China, leaving very few to teach a younger generation now. These are jobs one spends half a career leaning to do well, not a few months or years of college.

Sadly, it typifies the wholesale loss of manufacturing to lower cost nations, along with huge numbers of blue collar jobs.  To see it drive north till you see the closed GM plant, or into Middletown or Hamilton, and look at the closed paper mills. These are the kinds of jobs that are lost.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote itbedave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul 11 2013 at 9:24am
Hmmm... Seems like we had this conversation on here years ago when we were talking about school levies and the makeup of Monroe since it's population boom. I don't know what the actual number is, but I'd have no problem believing that a good majority of residents were considered "white collar." 

Does that matter a hill of beans to me? Nope. I have blue collar friends and neighbors too.  ;-)
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honest question.....does it really matter?

is one way better than the other?
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I'm a working class slug.
I've come to realize in Monroe. There's us and them.
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seriously though Hounddog.

While my job might be white collar...I'm a working class slug just the same.  I guess that was my point.

 I don't think there is a large % of independently wealthy people living in monroe...o no matter the color of their shirt collar.


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I know. I was joking too. I just like to say 'working class slug', it is something we joke about in my circle of friends.
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Maybe we should say working class idiots, the others get paid to do noting and get free food and child care along with other perks of not working.
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I haven't worked in years.
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Originally posted by Max HC Max HC wrote:

I haven't worked in years.
 
Day took R JARBS!!!!
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