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Topic: The Pope = Editied
Posted By: Max HC
Subject: The Pope = Editied
Date Posted: Feb 25 2013 at 4:42pm
Is it safe to say the heirarchy of the catholic church is just as guilty as the pedofile priests at this point? It never ends with these prick's...
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/25/17087052-pope-says-vatileaks-probe-will-stay-secret-adding-intrigue-to-final-days?lite" rel="nofollow - http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/25/17087052-pope-says-vatileaks-probe-will-stay-secret-adding-intrigue-to-final-days?lite
If you're catholic, how does this make you feel? Does it have any effect on you in being associated with the church? I know all priests aren't like this, and I know it's a very small percentage who are but wow is this weird as hell.



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Posted By: Broseph
Date Posted: Feb 25 2013 at 8:40pm
the pope is editied? what does that even mean?

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Posted By: Max HC
Date Posted: Feb 25 2013 at 9:40pm
I didn't edit it. Maybe it was The Vatican? I was posing the question to everyone/anyone if the pope was just as guilty as the priests that did waht they did to all of those boys?


Posted By: Max HC
Date Posted: Feb 26 2013 at 12:12am
Someone edited the post after I submitted it. I would not have typed editied...


Posted By: cmsquare
Date Posted: Feb 26 2013 at 5:20am
That's freedom of speech for you. 



The church is evil.  It has protected child molesters for a LONG time now.

If it were anything other than a church they would have been brought down a long time ago but since it's all in the name of Jesus we can turn a blind eye to it.

I think it's funny they are rumored to be looking toward the US for a pope for the first time; they aren't going to find things any less murky over here.


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Posted By: Max HC
Date Posted: Feb 26 2013 at 8:24am

That's the question I was posing in the topic. Is the Pope equivalent to a molester? I think so, but I was just putting it out there to see what Catholics think.



Posted By: Too Many Hobbies
Date Posted: Feb 26 2013 at 9:21am
Maybe they would have fewer issues if they allowed clergy to marry. They could attract more people to the priesthood.

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Posted By: Max HC
Date Posted: Feb 26 2013 at 11:12am
I'm not sure if any of the preists that molested boys would be any different if they were able to marry.


Posted By: Too Many Hobbies
Date Posted: Feb 26 2013 at 11:57am
Originally posted by Max HC Max HC wrote:

I'm not sure if any of the preists that molested boys would be any different if they were able to marry.
 
No, they would not be, but an influx of people that would be willing to become priests if they could still be married and possibly raise their own family would likely do wonders to the culture that so far has allowed this to happen.


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Posted By: bobpreston
Date Posted: Feb 26 2013 at 8:40pm
Looks like the catholic church is just trying to keep up with public schools when it comes to molesting kids.

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Posted By: Max HC
Date Posted: Feb 26 2013 at 8:59pm
Bob, were you ever molested?


Posted By: bobpreston
Date Posted: Feb 26 2013 at 9:10pm
No, whats that got to do with the rapping of kids in public schools and churches?

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Posted By: cmsquare
Date Posted: Feb 27 2013 at 2:20am
sounds to me like Bob is speaking from experience

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Posted By: retiredmilitary
Date Posted: Feb 27 2013 at 5:48am
Max have you ever been molested?
 
Me No not even Catholic.
 
So by saying the Catholic church is evil you have now said that probably many people you know are evil because being Catholic makes them part of the church. 
 
So you can see your own words:
"The church is evil.  It has protected child molesters for a LONG time now."
 
 
I even made it red for everybody to see.


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Posted By: cmsquare
Date Posted: Feb 27 2013 at 8:56am
Oh brother.   There is a HUGE difference between someone attending a church versus being part of the hierarchy of said organization.   

People attending catholic mass never covered up a thing. It's the church who systematically protected child molesters by moving them around and hiding accusations.

Some pretty ugly stuff is going to come out about the pope covering things up for his brother while he was a cardinal. That's why he is stepping down.

All of that says nothing about those that attend mass because it makes them happy to do so.   It only speaks about the corrupt and hypocritical organization that is the Catholic Church.   An organization which protects and promotes child molesters while leading a crusade against homosexuals.




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Posted By: Matt_Steele
Date Posted: Feb 27 2013 at 9:01am
Originally posted by bobpreston bobpreston wrote:

No, whats that got to do with the rapping of kids in public schools and churches?


Kids rapping is a problem in public schools and churches, I agree




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Posted By: retiredmilitary
Date Posted: Feb 27 2013 at 9:26am
And where is the evidence of this statement?
 
"Some pretty ugly stuff is going to come out about the pope covering things up for his brother while he was a cardinal. That's why he is stepping down."



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Posted By: sftballmom
Date Posted: Feb 27 2013 at 10:34am
Ha Ha Matt, I got it!!!!

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Posted By: Max HC
Date Posted: Feb 27 2013 at 12:20pm

No retiredmilitary, I've never been molested. You do realize Pope Benedict knew of every one of those boys who were molested. Again, I'm simply trying to understand how this may make someone in the church (local) feel? This is a huge problem for the church, and it's not going away. I jsut recently watched a documentary on the cover-up and it is UNREAL how this was handled.



Posted By: Upper90
Date Posted: Feb 27 2013 at 4:52pm
I think this band sums their feelings up pretty well, little over the top though, just a bit....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw3wmDMnd-g&feature=player_embedded#!%20" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw3wmDMnd-g&feature=player_embedded#!




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Posted By: cmsquare
Date Posted: Feb 27 2013 at 5:41pm
Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:

And where is the evidence of this statement?
 
"Some pretty ugly stuff is going to come out about the pope covering things up for his brother while he was a cardinal. That's why he is stepping down."



I think it's pretty obvious something VERY big is going on here.

You don't step down as Pope for the first time in 600 years from a job you keep for life.  I've heard interviews and all I am saying is go ahead and wait for it.  Something big is coming...and they need this guy OUT.

That being said...it still says ZERO about the people attend church every week as you tried to point out.  Most catholics/christians are good people.  It's the leadership of the church that has been proven to protect scum bags time and time again.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/popes-brother-linked-to-new-claims-of-child-abuse-by-clergy-1918357.html

the cover up never ends....it extends all the way to the top.


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Posted By: retiredmilitary
Date Posted: Feb 28 2013 at 6:02am
Maybe it is but the reason was given from him is that he can no longer perform his duties as a Pope. So let's not distort his reasoning.
 
I am with you CM there are evil people in the church but that does not make the whole church evil as you say it is.
 
If you dig hard enough I bet you could find in all religions this has happened but you only hear about it because they are one of the largest denominations out there.


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Posted By: Matt_Steele
Date Posted: Feb 28 2013 at 9:18am
Originally posted by cmsquare cmsquare wrote:

Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:

And where is the evidence of this statement?
 
"Some pretty ugly stuff is going to come out about the pope covering things up for his brother while he was a cardinal. That's why he is stepping down."



I think it's pretty obvious something VERY big is going on here.

You don't step down as Pope for the first time in 600 years from a job you keep for life.  I've heard interviews and all I am saying is go ahead and wait for it.  Something big is coming...and they need this guy OUT.

That being said...it still says ZERO about the people attend church every week as you tried to point out.  Most catholics/christians are good people.  It's the leadership of the church that has been proven to protect scum bags time and time again.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/popes-brother-linked-to-new-claims-of-child-abuse-by-clergy-1918357.html

the cover up never ends....it extends all the way to the top.


Hmm I heard less sinister reasons for him stepping down, more to do with his mental capacity (ie: alzheimers/dementia). 


I'm not Catholic nor am I going to defend the horrible abuses that they have covered up and continue to cover up, but I will say that a lot of these rumors going around and stories being floated in the media are usually coming from bishops/priests themselves to better position themselves or someone they like to be the next Pope.

We shouldn't forget that the Church is a political body with a lot of power and that the games we see in other political "elections" (here or anywhere) should be expected here too.


But I want to be clear that I'm talking about some of the strange stories coming out, not talking about the child molestation news, which I fear is all true. Even if there was a spectacular lie about any of these stories, the burden is proof is impossible to overcome. The Church has dug its own hole and it may be generations before it can restore all of its credibility.


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Posted By: bobpreston
Date Posted: Mar 12 2013 at 7:08pm
Those evil public schools raping children and covering it up to save face. 

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/mar/09/parents-file-suit-against-cv-saying-teacher/

The lawsuit also alleges Cucinotti engaged in sexual molestation, abuse and/or assault with the girl, who is not named in the lawsuit. The documents claim the district had extensive knowledge of Cucinotti’s actions, yet put him in the classroom with students. The lawsuit also claims the district has not improved its policies and training practices to better protect students from abuse.

Truly sickening, guess this is were the catholic church gets it's guidelines for molesting and covering it up.


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Posted By: Houndog
Date Posted: Mar 12 2013 at 10:59pm
Bob even for you that's a stretch. Heck I figured as Anti Union as you are you would also be Anti Catholic.

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Posted By: bobpreston
Date Posted: Mar 13 2013 at 8:20pm
My intent was not to defend the catholic church it was to point out peoples hypocrisy in here. They call the catholic church evil and tend to defend public schools with excuses and blaming the kids. No not in this post but in past post, or they are just quiet when it comes to the mass molesting that occurs when it comes to public schools.

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Posted By: cmsquare
Date Posted: Mar 13 2013 at 8:56pm
There is no systematic cover up going on in public schools like happened within the church for decades.

Period end of story.

Stop being ridiculous.






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Posted By: bobpreston
Date Posted: Mar 13 2013 at 9:30pm
BS the schools will cover and deny until it gets out in public or they will cover it and send the teacher on their way with a clean record so applying to another school is ok.

http://digitaljournal.com/article/290312

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/article.aspx?subjectid=298&articleid=20130225_12_0_NRAhae815901

http://www.themediareport.com/2012/08/13/lawsuit-public-school-district-but-media-snoozes/

More kids are molested in public school per capita than any catholic church and the schools are ramped about hiding the truth until its too late.


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Posted By: bobpreston
Date Posted: Mar 13 2013 at 9:34pm
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Court-Claims-Announced-in-Miramonte-Elementary-School-Molest-Case-138674334.html

Berndt, who worked at Miramonte for more than 30 years, was arrested Monday and charged with felony molestation involving 23 students, ages 7 to 10, between 2005 and 2010, officials said.

All of the alleged victims but two are girls.

He was in custody Friday, being held on $23 million bond. He was expected to be arraigned in court on Feb. 21.

A message left for Berndt’s public defender, Elizabeth Braustein, was not immediately returned.

On Friday, authorities announced an  http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Teacher-Miramonte-School-Lewd-Acts-Student-Photos-138642329.html" rel="nofollow - arrest of a second teacher at the school , identified as Martin Bernard Springer, 49. He was being held at the Los Angeles County Jail on a charge of lewd acts, with bail set at $2 million.

The first complaint about Berndt’s behavior possibly came as early as 1990, when a student told school officials that Berndt either tried to or did touch her genitalia, Claypool said. School officials told the student not to make up stories, Claypool added.


Nice is that what they do at Monroe schools also?



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Posted By: bobpreston
Date Posted: Mar 13 2013 at 9:42pm
http://www.osv.com/tabid/7621/itemid/7317/Openers-New-report-of-coverup-enabling--in-p.aspx

How about this example: “A teacher/coach who was forced to resign from an Ohio school because of inappropriate contact with girls was hired by a neighboring district, where he was eventually convicted for sexual battery against a sixth-grade girl. The superintendent at his first school had called him an ‘outstanding teacher’ in a recommendation letter.” 




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Posted By: bobpreston
Date Posted: Mar 13 2013 at 9:45pm
http://21maile.com/2013/02/20/preliminary-approval-for-5-75-million-settlement-against-state-for-covering-up-years-of-sexual-abuse-of-students/

The plaintiffs claim that as many as 35 current and former students were abused on the Kapahulu public school’s campus and on school buses since Aug. 10, 2001.




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Posted By: bobpreston
Date Posted: Mar 13 2013 at 9:48pm
These dont even touch the amount of stories out there. So you keep defending the EVIL public schools and their high rates of sexual abuse of children and covering it up. You are such a defender of protecting child. Yeah right!!!

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Posted By: cmsquare
Date Posted: Mar 14 2013 at 4:00pm
I'd reply to you Bob but you would probably just complain and have the response deleted

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Posted By: John Beagle
Date Posted: Mar 14 2013 at 4:17pm
Originally posted by cmsquare cmsquare wrote:

I'd reply to you Bob but you would probably just complain and have the response deleted

You can't call someone a poopoo head and get away with it. Wink


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Posted By: MoneyBags
Date Posted: Mar 14 2013 at 5:33pm
Because we all know bob has had most of his insults and attacks censored regularly whenever they pop up. Didn't he call someone a c*nt a while back? 

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Posted By: bobpreston
Date Posted: Mar 14 2013 at 7:08pm
I didnt report anyone but I did laugh at being called a lier when I posted articles that support the facts. Guess its true how to make a liberal mad, present them with facts.

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Posted By: cmsquare
Date Posted: Mar 14 2013 at 9:24pm
Originally posted by John Beagle John Beagle wrote:

Originally posted by cmsquare cmsquare wrote:

I'd reply to you Bob but you would probably just complain and have the response deleted

You can't call someone a poopoo head and get away with it. Wink


well that's not true on this site.

It simply matters who is doing the name calling.

The time you let my personal information stay up for over a week even when I alerted you to it proved that beyond all doubt.

As far as what Bob has said/posted; it proves nothing toward a systematic cover up by the public schools.

if you know ANYTHING about what has gone on inside the church you would know the difference.

You are so far off base it's not funny.  I didn't say the links you posted were untrue...I said the conclusions you made FROM the artciles was untrue; and it is.

Nonetheless; your insults and whatever other rhtetoric you choose to use is protected here.  It's not a luxury others of us have.

Just remember Bob....I know your real name and it's not Bob.


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Posted By: retiredmilitary
Date Posted: Mar 18 2013 at 5:42am
^ Complaining ^

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Posted By: cmsquare
Date Posted: Mar 18 2013 at 6:48am
Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

what would we ever do without you?




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Posted By: retiredmilitary
Date Posted: Mar 18 2013 at 11:47am
Originally posted by cmsquare cmsquare wrote:

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

what would we ever do without you?


Stop Complaining!!

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Posted By: Max HC
Date Posted: Mar 18 2013 at 12:29pm
Sounds like the two of you need an intimate rendezvous 


Posted By: cmsquare
Date Posted: Mar 18 2013 at 4:19pm
Originally posted by Max HC Max HC wrote:

Sounds like the two of you need an intimate rendezvous 


haha

no thank you.

I'd rather not meet the person who's only contribution to this post was to tell me to stop complaining, while of course issuing a complaint of his own.

He has way too many voices in his head to make me comfortable with a face to face.


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Posted By: retiredmilitary
Date Posted: Mar 19 2013 at 5:42am
Originally posted by cmsquare cmsquare wrote:

Originally posted by Max HC Max HC wrote:

Sounds like the two of you need an intimate rendezvous 


haha

no thank you.

I'd rather not meet the person who's only contribution to this post was to tell me to stop complaining, while of course issuing a complaint of his own.

He has way too many voices in his head to make me comfortable with a face to face.
Really where is that?
 
Sorry you can't handle the truth.
 
Too many voices huh? So what is the diagnosis? Dr. cmsquare?
 
See no compliant just questins and a statement!!
 
Go ahead put shake my head (SMH).
 
At least my voices see the truth unlike yours!! 


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Posted By: retiredmilitary
Date Posted: Mar 19 2013 at 8:32pm
Ok cm sense you don't understand that I was being a smart a......

Me and others probably are so tired of you crying about your personal information.

It was a mistake and it happened almost a year ago.

Get over yourself. You are not that important or smart.

Maybe you should have your wife do some home schooling for you.

If you read most of what I put it is my opinion but you can't handle somebody having a different opinion than you.

Oh and DUDE your an embarrassment!

And send no more private messages to me. In fact just leave!!

THIS IS MY OPINION ALONE


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Posted By: retiredmilitary
Date Posted: Mar 19 2013 at 9:11pm
"
"I can't even make sense of what you wrote in your last email."

See how stupid you are cmsquare I have never sent you an email before so what language might you be speaking in??


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Posted By: Max HC
Date Posted: Mar 20 2013 at 10:29pm
At least get a reach around!


Posted By: Upper90
Date Posted: Mar 22 2013 at 2:04pm
If not the reach around at least a rough trade, like a job. I just love picture number one, says it all. It is like Marilyn's dress picture.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/21/keith-obrien-abuser-relationship_n_2928534.html


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