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    Posted: Feb 25 2013 at 4:42pm
Is it safe to say the heirarchy of the catholic church is just as guilty as the pedofile priests at this point? It never ends with these prick's...
If you're catholic, how does this make you feel? Does it have any effect on you in being associated with the church? I know all priests aren't like this, and I know it's a very small percentage who are but wow is this weird as hell.
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the pope is editied? what does that even mean?
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I didn't edit it. Maybe it was The Vatican? I was posing the question to everyone/anyone if the pope was just as guilty as the priests that did waht they did to all of those boys?
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Someone edited the post after I submitted it. I would not have typed editied...
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That's freedom of speech for you. 



The church is evil.  It has protected child molesters for a LONG time now.

If it were anything other than a church they would have been brought down a long time ago but since it's all in the name of Jesus we can turn a blind eye to it.

I think it's funny they are rumored to be looking toward the US for a pope for the first time; they aren't going to find things any less murky over here.
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That's the question I was posing in the topic. Is the Pope equivalent to a molester? I think so, but I was just putting it out there to see what Catholics think.

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Maybe they would have fewer issues if they allowed clergy to marry. They could attract more people to the priesthood.
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I'm not sure if any of the preists that molested boys would be any different if they were able to marry.
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Originally posted by Max HC Max HC wrote:

I'm not sure if any of the preists that molested boys would be any different if they were able to marry.
 
No, they would not be, but an influx of people that would be willing to become priests if they could still be married and possibly raise their own family would likely do wonders to the culture that so far has allowed this to happen.
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Looks like the catholic church is just trying to keep up with public schools when it comes to molesting kids.
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Bob, were you ever molested?
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No, whats that got to do with the rapping of kids in public schools and churches?
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sounds to me like Bob is speaking from experience
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Max have you ever been molested?
 
Me No not even Catholic.
 
So by saying the Catholic church is evil you have now said that probably many people you know are evil because being Catholic makes them part of the church. 
 
So you can see your own words:
"The church is evil.  It has protected child molesters for a LONG time now."
 
 
I even made it red for everybody to see.
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Oh brother.   There is a HUGE difference between someone attending a church versus being part of the hierarchy of said organization.   

People attending catholic mass never covered up a thing. It's the church who systematically protected child molesters by moving them around and hiding accusations.

Some pretty ugly stuff is going to come out about the pope covering things up for his brother while he was a cardinal. That's why he is stepping down.

All of that says nothing about those that attend mass because it makes them happy to do so.   It only speaks about the corrupt and hypocritical organization that is the Catholic Church.   An organization which protects and promotes child molesters while leading a crusade against homosexuals.


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Originally posted by bobpreston bobpreston wrote:

No, whats that got to do with the rapping of kids in public schools and churches?


Kids rapping is a problem in public schools and churches, I agree
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And where is the evidence of this statement?
 
"Some pretty ugly stuff is going to come out about the pope covering things up for his brother while he was a cardinal. That's why he is stepping down."

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Ha Ha Matt, I got it!!!!
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No retiredmilitary, I've never been molested. You do realize Pope Benedict knew of every one of those boys who were molested. Again, I'm simply trying to understand how this may make someone in the church (local) feel? This is a huge problem for the church, and it's not going away. I jsut recently watched a documentary on the cover-up and it is UNREAL how this was handled.

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I think this band sums their feelings up pretty well, little over the top though, just a bit....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw3wmDMnd-g&feature=player_embedded#!


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Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:

And where is the evidence of this statement?
 
"Some pretty ugly stuff is going to come out about the pope covering things up for his brother while he was a cardinal. That's why he is stepping down."



I think it's pretty obvious something VERY big is going on here.

You don't step down as Pope for the first time in 600 years from a job you keep for life.  I've heard interviews and all I am saying is go ahead and wait for it.  Something big is coming...and they need this guy OUT.

That being said...it still says ZERO about the people attend church every week as you tried to point out.  Most catholics/christians are good people.  It's the leadership of the church that has been proven to protect scum bags time and time again.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/popes-brother-linked-to-new-claims-of-child-abuse-by-clergy-1918357.html

the cover up never ends....it extends all the way to the top.
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Maybe it is but the reason was given from him is that he can no longer perform his duties as a Pope. So let's not distort his reasoning.
 
I am with you CM there are evil people in the church but that does not make the whole church evil as you say it is.
 
If you dig hard enough I bet you could find in all religions this has happened but you only hear about it because they are one of the largest denominations out there.
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Originally posted by cmsquare cmsquare wrote:

Originally posted by retiredmilitary retiredmilitary wrote:

And where is the evidence of this statement?
 
"Some pretty ugly stuff is going to come out about the pope covering things up for his brother while he was a cardinal. That's why he is stepping down."



I think it's pretty obvious something VERY big is going on here.

You don't step down as Pope for the first time in 600 years from a job you keep for life.  I've heard interviews and all I am saying is go ahead and wait for it.  Something big is coming...and they need this guy OUT.

That being said...it still says ZERO about the people attend church every week as you tried to point out.  Most catholics/christians are good people.  It's the leadership of the church that has been proven to protect scum bags time and time again.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/popes-brother-linked-to-new-claims-of-child-abuse-by-clergy-1918357.html

the cover up never ends....it extends all the way to the top.


Hmm I heard less sinister reasons for him stepping down, more to do with his mental capacity (ie: alzheimers/dementia). 


I'm not Catholic nor am I going to defend the horrible abuses that they have covered up and continue to cover up, but I will say that a lot of these rumors going around and stories being floated in the media are usually coming from bishops/priests themselves to better position themselves or someone they like to be the next Pope.

We shouldn't forget that the Church is a political body with a lot of power and that the games we see in other political "elections" (here or anywhere) should be expected here too.


But I want to be clear that I'm talking about some of the strange stories coming out, not talking about the child molestation news, which I fear is all true. Even if there was a spectacular lie about any of these stories, the burden is proof is impossible to overcome. The Church has dug its own hole and it may be generations before it can restore all of its credibility.
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Those evil public schools raping children and covering it up to save face. 

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/mar/09/parents-file-suit-against-cv-saying-teacher/

The lawsuit also alleges Cucinotti engaged in sexual molestation, abuse and/or assault with the girl, who is not named in the lawsuit. The documents claim the district had extensive knowledge of Cucinotti’s actions, yet put him in the classroom with students. The lawsuit also claims the district has not improved its policies and training practices to better protect students from abuse.

Truly sickening, guess this is were the catholic church gets it's guidelines for molesting and covering it up.
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Bob even for you that's a stretch. Heck I figured as Anti Union as you are you would also be Anti Catholic.
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