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The February 4 debate between Bill Nye and Ken Ham at the Creation Museum has generated tremendous interest across America. Online debate tickets for a spot in our 900-seat Legacy Hall sold out in less than two minutes, and coverage in the news media, blogs, and other websites has continued to remain intense.

We have been working behind the scenes in an effort to allow all interested people, wherever they are around the globe, to view this debate live. To this end, we are pleased to announce that this debate will be available to view online and free of charge at debatelive.org. We hope that many will take advantage of this opportunity to view the debate in real time. You may watch the debate at home, or organize a gathering to show the live stream to your small group, your youth group, your entire church, or other groups. . . .
 
 
Good to know - persmaps I will watch it afterall - thank you Wink
 
 
Now why would they promote this? "show the live stream to your small group, your youth group, your entire church, or other groups" since those groups think evolution is a sham. couldn't resist Big smile
 
 
 
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Originally posted by blueblood blueblood wrote:




Creation Museum

The February 4 debate between Bill Nye and Ken Ham at the Creation Museum has generated tremendous interest across America. Online debate tickets for a spot in our 900-seat Legacy Hall sold out in less than two minutes, and coverage in the news media, blogs, and other websites has continued to remain intense.

We have been working behind the scenes in an effort to allow all interested people, wherever they are around the globe, to view this debate live. To this end, we are pleased to announce that this debate will be available to view online and free of charge at debatelive.org. We hope that many will take advantage of this opportunity to view the debate in real time. You may watch the debate at home, or organize a gathering to show the live stream to your small group, your youth group, your entire church, or other groups. . . .



 

 

Good to know - persmaps I will watch it afterall - thank you Wink

 

 

Now why would they promote this? "show the live stream to your small group, your youth group, your entire church, or other groups" since those groups think evolution is a sham. couldn't resist Big smile

 

 

 


Good question I believe you will answer your own question once you consider the rationale behind what they are doing, and if you cling to your belief, should be concerned that quite possibly, it may not be as cut and dried, as you have been led to believe! Why do you think an inordinate amount of security is required at the creation museum, a place where the non-believers should just ignore and it will go away?


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I don't think there is anything about evolution cut and dry.

I think it's a complicated scientific theory pushed forward over years of work by the scientific method.

I know that creationism and science have nothing to do with one another. 

I also know creationism isn't mentioned anywhere in the bible.. 

Now you can believe anything you want even when there is zero evidence to support your belief.  that after all is FAITH. 

Just keep your religion out of science books.  The two don't have anything to do with one another no matter how many "museums" you build.


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I don't think there is anything about evolution cut and dry.

I think it's a complicated scientific theory pushed forward over years of work by the scientific method.

I know that creationism and science have nothing to do with one another. 

I also know creationism isn't mentioned anywhere in the bible.. 

Now you can believe anything you want even when there is zero evidence to support your belief.  that after all is FAITH. 

Just keep your religion out of science books.  The two don't have anything to do with one another no matter how many "museums" you build.





Creation not mentioned in the Bible? Really. You are so wrong, on everything you just mentioned, that I am just going to drop it here and now.
I only wish my faith was as strong as yours appears to be.


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Of course creation is mentioned in the bible.

Creationism is not...neither are dinosaurs

I have no faith.  it is not a requirement for science in the least.

my beliefs are evidence based.....and if the evidence proves my belief to not be true then we move on to what we have learned and now know.  It's called the scientific method.  It is not based in faith.


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You said it best "I have no faith". God only allows you to have what you have by His Grace! But the clock is ticking. You only have so much time on this earth to make a decision and even to make no choice to believe that there is a God in Heaven and you are willing to turn your life over to Him. To not decide is as good as saying "No" I do not want salvation and it will doom you to eternal darkness.
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If I need faith to understand and accept creationism then it very simply put has place in a school or science text. 

that is the only argument here. 
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Understand that faith doesn't mean blind faith.  There is a difference.  There are good, rational reasons to believe in God.   I've purposely avoided this thread because there's no point really, but I will say that anyone who thinks that macro evolution is settled science is mistaken.  Neo Darwinism has *lots* of problems, assumptions and unanswered questions even among the die-hards.  There is plenty of internal acknowledgement of these problems as well when you can catch them speaking candidly.
 
By the way, I hope those of you who believe the Bill Nye/Ken Hamm debate will be a one-sided bloodbath, all I can say is I hope you make it a point to watch.
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Originally posted by dad0f3 dad0f3 wrote:

 
By the way, I hope those of you who believe the Bill Nye/Ken Hamm debate will be a one-sided bloodbath, all I can say is I hope you make it a point to watch.


I'm skeptical it will be fair.

I think Bill is walking into trap. 

Either way; the only thing the creation museum cares about is attention and making $$$ so they win.
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Blueblood you have shown time and time again you do not even understand the use of the basic scientific theory.

Expecting you to understand something like evolution is like trying to do Calculus when you can't add.
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Blueblood you have shown time and time again you do not even understand the use of the basic scientific theory.

Expecting you to understand something like evolution is like trying to do Calculus when you can't add.




Calculus? We have seen that you are incapable of adding or subtracting single digit numbers. Hahahahaha

So YOU explain, where are all those guys in the middle, that all you giant brains claim existed, but no one has seen hide nor hair of? I thought so, come again with some more change up nonsense.



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Science doesn't set out to prove anything specific; that's what you don't seem to grasp. 

Examples have already been given to you in this very thread.  Either you aren't evolved enough to read and comprehend them or you just ignored them.



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Originally posted by cmsquare cmsquare wrote:


I'm skeptical it will be fair.

I think Bill is walking into trap. 

Either way; the only thing the creation museum cares about is attention and making $$$ so they win.
Well, it should be highly entertaining no matter which camp you fall in.  I’m not exactly sure what sort of “trap” they could set for Bill Nye, lol.  I’m positive Ken will be a fair and gracious host.  As someone who has listened to *lots* of debates between Christian apologists and atheists I can tell you one thing for sure.  If there is one participant who is hostile or nasty, it is always without exception the atheist.  I have yet to hear a Christian apologist treat any of their opponents disrespectfully.  With the atheist, this is standard operating procedure.  Go listen to a few debates if you don’t believe me.  In fact, I’ve been told that in Bill’s interview with CNN promoting the debate, he won’t even refer to Ken by his name.  He calls him “that guy.” 

 

As for Ken’s motives for the debate, apparently this all came about by an AP reporter who was doing separate interviews with Ken and Bill and made the suggestion to Ken that they should debate one another.  Ken agreed and the rest is history.  The museum is doing fine from a financial standpoint. 

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This guy's pretty cute, but unfortunately, he's not transitional.  From the story on Nat Geo:
 
"Though no one has spotted a living pink handfish since 1999, it's taken till now for scientists to formally identify it as a unique species."
 
There is no mention of it being an example of a transitional form.  Furthermore, there are other species of "handfish" that have been identified which scientists believe are millions of years old and are unchanged.  So again, you have to assume it's transitional in order to make the evolutionary puzzle pieces fit because no one has observed it directly or even pieced it together through the fossil records. 
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Making excuses? Not open for debate? Bad idea to discuss. Universally accepted? Sounds a lot more like religion, than, say religion. I'm not making any excuses, let the best science win. You know what the evolutionists are afraid of? You must accept a whole lot of science that contradicts evolution to believe in evolution, and that is where all the fear comes from, and it is coming all from one side! ???????


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Making excuses? Not open for debate? Bad idea to discuss. Universally accepted? Sounds a lot more like religion, than, say religion. I'm not making any excuses, let the best science win. You know what the evolutionists are afraid of? You must accept a whole lot of science that contradicts evolution to believe in evolution, and that is where all the fear comes from, and it is coming all from one side! ???????
This young lady stated a lot of things as "fact" that aren't in fact a fact, lol.  If the anti-evolution croud has bad ideas, make them look like the fools that they are! Destroy them with your superior knowledge and command of science!   Surely there must be someone out there who can do this if Bill Nye isn't up to the task.  Instead they want to hide behind the excuse that they don't want to legitimize the creationist position.   Please....The problem is they consistently lose these debates because macro evolution wilts under honest-to-goodness scientific scrutiny.
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Originally posted by blueblood blueblood wrote:


 I'm not making any excuses, let the best science win.


Creationism isn't science.

It never will be.

That's what you can't seem to grasp.

It's not a debate on science.  It's not a science museum.    The sooner you understand this the sooner you can understand what is really taking place.


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Originally posted by dad0f3 dad0f3 wrote:

  Please....The problem is they consistently lose these debates because macro evolution wilts under honest-to-goodness scientific scrutiny.


hold on now...what exactly happens to creationism when you hold it up against honest to goodness scientific scrutiny?  Not to mention.....


This is actually just plain false.  Many people choose only to note the tiny steps (a mutation here, a new function there) and thus believe that only micro-evolution occurs and not macro-evolution. Micro-evolution and macro-evolution are terms used by IDers to try to weasel their way around the truth of evolution. Micro-evolution is supposed to be changes within a species, while macro-evolution means changes that connect one species to another. In reality, scientists decide when enough small changes have been generated (usually through multiple generations) to label a new organism as a new species. Evolution is evolution, period. Skeptics need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. We all know that micro-evolution is observable and testable. A very simple and common example of this is the fact that every few years we need brand new flu vaccines; viruses and bacteria often evolve rapidly and overcome our current treatments. You USUALLY won’t witness a macro-evolutionary step in your lifetime, because a macro-evolutionary step could take tens of thousands of years to occur. However, one macro-evolutionary step could be the same as a hundred micro-evolutionary steps, and a few of those we CAN see in our lifetime. Looking back on our fossil records, we see all of the tiny steps (through our transitional fossils) and then choose to label a certain group of them as a single macro-evolutionary step.

Accepting micro-evolution but not macro-evolution is like accepting that seconds exist but not whole minutes.


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Then, you have nothing to be afraid of, and Bill Nye, the science guy, should just mop up on this knuckle dragging bearded face Aussie. What could go wrong when you are nothing but right?


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There is no debate among scientists about whether evolution occurs, any more than there’s a debate among botanists about whether photosynthesis occurs or among physicists that gravity exists.

Evolution is all around us, all the time. Evolution is why we need to get a new flu shot every year.

Evolution is why your antibiotics are about to become obsolete.

By putting a scientist and a non-scientist on the same stage together, there is a real danger of legitimizing creationism and giving the appearance that both sides are equally valid.

This is not an issue of censorship. Anyone is free to hold whatever beliefs or opinions they like, no matter how unscientific or false. But there is no obligation to portray both sides as having equally strong or valid scientific arguments, when by any measure they do not.



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Originally posted by cmsquare cmsquare wrote:

There is no debate among scientists about whether evolution occurs, any more than there’s a debate among botanists about whether photosynthesis occurs or among physicists that gravity exists.

Evolution is all around us, all the time. Evolution is why we need to get a new flu shot every year.

Evolution is why your antibiotics are about to become obsolete.



At least learn what your talking about! The flu virus becoming tolerant is not evolution.

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